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Alienist : Greetz!
That's right. :)
Crowe : I was having trouble with identd .. damn router.
Alienist : How go things this evening?
Crowe : Not to shabby! How about you?
Alienist : I'm good. :)
I went to a boys' catholic hs and we didn't dare sleep, it meant an assbeating.
Crowe : Ouch. My mother was German, so you can imagine my home life was very much like your school life.
Alienist : My dad was a drill instructor, and my mother was the Irish catholic from hell.
Crowe : This would bet a good chance to use the 2 dollar word segway, and suggest this as a good point to give the basics about yourself! Where your from, how old, ASL .. all that personal kinda jazz. The fans want to know!
Alienist : I'm from the area all about Philadelphia, growing up in two different suburbs.
I'm 35 years old, and I'm ethnically Irish and Native American with a few more things thrown in.
I dislike institutional religion although I identify with Catholicism, probably just from being Irish.
I keep my exact identity anonymous because I work in a very conservative industry. I'm a degreed professional in any case.
I live with my cat.
I have a small apartment in northwest Philly.
Crowe : Speaking of The Stranger, tell me about SAZ!
Alienist : Ok, this is the segueway _I_ was waiting for. :)
Crowe : Me too!
Alienist : I had this friend long ago, now no longer in touch, known in Candelabra as 'Black Onyx'.
She was one of the original seniors, you might remember. She doesn't follow the scene anymore in any fashion.
But in October 1995, she and I were on the BBS scene, before our real exposure to the internet.
The writer of the Illusion BBS software lived fairly locally to us both, and there were tons of Illusion boards, including his.
I was hopping around to different BBS's nationally, and found SAZ! in a download area.
The description was enough for me to realize what it was. I downloaded it and was instantly in love with the whole thing: SAZ!, the medium (packs of lit with music), the whole vibe.
I hadn't seen anything like it and I knew its potential immediately. I showed it to Black Onyx and she got hypnotized by it, too.
We then swore to each other that we were going to do this, but neither of us knew a lick of code (and I don't to this day).
I knew Lord Spinwright, who was the coder of the original CND pack (which was rereleased later with the better viewer by the Illusion writer).
I knew him from college.
(Spinner, that is.)
However, I hadn't tapped him yet. BO and I pondered how we were going to implement our group, and she even came up with the name after TONS of thought, like over several nights: Candelabra.
Being female, she had a good imagination like that. A man would never have thought of that name.
Well, shortly after we came to the idea of the name and other things we wanted to do with the concept, I happened to be hopping around on local BBS's.
I happened onto Julian's/The Redeemed's BBS.
The Redeemed was another original CND senior who will go unnamed. He never wrote anything, sorta served as a secondary editor, and provided computers and phones lines and space for the group's bbs later....
...he lived with Julian and they had a bbs together at their place, in fact two of them.
So while I'm reading messages, Julian breaks in with local chat as sysop and asks me to courier his new group, fLaWeD.
I was excited to agree and to announce to him that I was starting my own lit group, which of course was CND.
He immediately offered to just take BO and me under his wing (he had been in the ANSI scene and then the lit scene previously, as you already well know).
I didn't think much of the concept of fLaWeD, too ANSI-like, kinda corny to me, and I was already a professional in my late twenties, wanting to be really serious about it.
I kept bowling him over with the Candelabra concept until he broke down.
They were also into roleplaying games, and so was I, and they immediately invited me over to play. (Specifically, White Wolf games, vampire etc.)
I drove over there that very night with some of my lit printed out (including the now-legendary 'Daughter of Thanatos Pt. 1' which I'd already written in August '95, as I remember).
We hit it off famously, and I soon afterward brought Black Onyx and her live-in fiance, The Tsar, over there to get the whole thing moving together.
The group gelled very fast. Everyone liked everyone, at least at that time.
So long ago.
We put the lit together, Spinner put a rather primitive viewer together on very short notice, and we put out our first product.
I wrote all the .MODs that played on all of the packs, except for the one by Transient, which was given as a gift in return for the use of my poem 'In the Woods by an Amishman's Farm'. He wanted to present it to his girlfriend as something of a valentine. He gave us the use of his .mod.
He had to rewrite it from an older form to make it usable, it wasn't completely realized at that time.
I can't remember exactly which pack that was, incidentally, and Nightshade hasn't been including the .mod's in the html rereleases.
Anyway, by the time Transient loaned us that .mod, we had brough the author of the Illusion BBS software and his buddy into our fold,
...and we had a much better viewer.
As julian often says, we couriered the revision to all our member sites and had them delete the old version.
Indeed it should be impossible to find by now.
And almost all of those sites, if not all, must certainly by now be dead.
It's such a shame, the BBS community had such an interesting underground character.
Crowe : I agree. I ran across the "internet bbs list" a while back and saw a few of my boards, and my favorite boards on the list!
Alienist : The internet just came along, sucked out the userbase, and made the whole thing seem indescribably obsolete in comparison.
I even ran a board at one time in college.
I was a registered WWIV sysop, but I transferred my number to someone later on.
Crowe : Speaking of the internet, how do you like the html medium for getting CND to the public?
Alienist : It was originally my idea to take CND to the net, and julian and others drowned me out immediately. No one had any enthusiasm for the idea.
This and other things led to my losing interest in CND.
Because of my discernment for decent poetry and fiction (for others' writing in general), it was my original leadership - acknowledged by The Stranger of SAZ, who always called me the President of Candelabra - that established the quality of our zine.
If it weren't for my critical sense of literature - even for that of the young people writing for us - we would have been just like all the other lit zines.
I made sure that we didn't let pap in, although the group did reject a couple writers I liked.
I'm not perfect - but I did teach julian something about discernment for the quality of other peoples' writing.
He was always a superb poet and fiction writer himself - I take nothing away from him - but at that time, he was only 18 and barely out of high school, and really didn't have the skill of discernment in this matter at the time.
I explained this to him: critical thought is a higher function than creative thought, and it takes some practice. He learned it quickly enough, I think.
Nightshade always had this sense.
She was more immersed in the arts anyhow, being a classically trained soprano.
None of this kept us from making the mistake we made with Banshee, letting him into the group with someone else's material and a little of his own. We've never figured out which stuff was his and which was Gemini's.
Agh - Gemini told us.
The fact is that _I_ simply don't remember the distinction. I only really remember the one piece 'The Broken Who Can Love'.
I found the title very distinctive.
Crowe : We had the same thing Happen in Scrollz (CIA Lit).
Alienist : Gemini's (at the time believed to be Banshee's work) stuff had that quiet power to it, like a sleeping entity of power.
Tell me this story. It'll make me feel better. This incident still tweaks me to this day.
Crowe : We never had the quality control we should have. But we trusted everyone we let in the group. I mean, why would anyone want to pose as a writer in a lit scene group?
Alienist : We had the advantage of Black Onyx actually running into Banshee at the mall, where they both worked in different stores, so we had the opportunity to make the determination if there were any chance at all. However he was an excellent bullshitter and we never figured it out. We never met Gemini until years later, during the second life of the group.
Crowe : How did CND make it to the web if everyone was apposed to it?
Alienist : Well, let me first tell you what the thing was that really caused me to unplug CND in the first place.
There is a well-known (to those who are very serious poetry addicts) poetry site on the web, formerly a print publication, called ZuZu's Petals Annual.
It's more or less become the end-all be-all poetry site for the really big afficionados of the artsy-fartsy set on the net.
It's run by a woman named Tabitha Dunn. (URL: http://www.zuzu.com)
She was a user on the Illusion HQ board, and we enjoyed chatting with each other.
However, she looked down her nose at candelabra as being very low-rate.
You see, the people who are 'on the poetry market' and are considered serious publishers and writers of 'big-time poetry' (as much as there is such a scene - it's still no moneymaker although it now has a commercial taste)...
...are locked into this mode wherein they're always trying to create this psuedointellectual gobbledegook.
The Tsar agreed with me about this.
We heard this kind of thing read on the odd radio stations and I went to a reading locally to me.
When I realized that people wanted a certain thing to consume - a resurrection of Whitman's and others' 'Pastoral Elegy' style, long and drawn-out and ... tiresome,...
...I didn't dare read my stuff. Tabitha, either deliberately or not, shot down my self-respect for my writing for a long time, and I no longer felt like my efforts in CND were anything but kiddieshit.
The fact that most of our authors were young people and so was the audience didn't help - I wanted adult readers.
I didn't have the readership I wanted. I felt that ... I was running an adolescent literature zine, and while that would typically not offend me in and of itself, I desired adult readership as a point of honor as a writer.
Tabitha Dunn killed my creativity for a long time to come, and she effectively killed Candelabra for years.
Julian bothered me from time to time to restart the group, but I always blew it off.
Tsar and Black Onyx were sad about this, too.
Strangely, about the only poet Tabitha saw any potential in was WiSH, and while I haven't seen anything from the WiSH of today (she's a very different person now, I suspect, with a kid and all of that...)...
... to me at that time, she was a draw for those who knew her from SAZ and the rest of the lit scene, because she was indeed established.
I saw her as being teen angst from hell, in verse, but having potential, but Tabitha really glossed over my stuff, BO's, other peoples.
I always thought Tsar, who had been my best friend at one time and whose whereabouts are no longer known by anyone, had incredible economy of words in his fiction _and_ his poetry.
He was able to compact a lot of power in his writing.
Well, on to the Second Coming of CND...
A time came in my career when I realized I had to get out of my folks' house and go down to Philly.
Julian made this easier by offering me space in his apartment as a roomie; there was a train station nearby whereby I could easily travel to Philly to make my applications and do my interviews, which is how it worked out...
...and while I was there, Julian was determined to make CND happen again on the web.
We hammered it out and Nightshade did the html.
We got a cable modem and gamed on it and ran CND on it.
At first, we did it again in pack form, because Julian was still resistant to html as the format.
Then he realized that he was really tired of doing the packs, and the compiler for the packs that had been left to us was of a cranky nature.
Julian decided it was time to just make things easier and gave in on this count.
When he eventually sees this interview, I wonder what parts he may disagree with - but this is how I perceive it all.
In no way do I intend here to denigrate Julian nor anyone else - all of the people in CND have been integral to the succeess of the beast.
Crowe : Julian couldn't agree on what we should call him for the longest. I doubt he'll have problems with this ;)
Alienist : Julian's knowledge of the early lit scene, his contacts and his ability to put out feelers for couriers and boards gave us our initial success.
Crowe : Julian's always been a cool guy, for a goth (jab jab).
Alienist : Truth be told, I seem to be disliked by my fellow Candelabrans today. I have heard enough now secondhand to know that they regard me as either too perverse (my sense of humor and my writing and some of my behavior in the past, which was harmless but which they hold against me...)...
or just someone they don't find ideal in a 'drinking buddy'.
I'm told they're glad for my input in CND, but socially, to them, I am now anathema.
I am truly not a pervert or anything, I leave all those impulses in my literature.
There is also the fact that I'm significantly older than the rest of them, although Electrichead is closer to my age than they are....
...but the point has been made to me, tacitly, that I'm wanted to move on.
I hope the group survives, but I am now considering seriously putting my own group together or just releasing my stuff on www.lit.org.
Whatever bad feelings they have for me, I will not return them nor denigrate them. I hope they will do me the same courtesy.
Julian is very intelligent and creative, and has great taste. He really doesn't regard himself as a goth...
...but someone who is more or less 'transgenre'. I just coined that term.
Crowe : I just like to give him a hard time.
Alienist : He is much like his musical idols, the local Philly band 'Carfax Abbey', in that he doesn't want to be pinned to one wall of the room.
Crowe : I'm 28 myself, I certainly understand where you coming from. Most of my friends are closer to 20.
And the 8 years appears to be a huge gap in likes and dis-likes.
Alienist : I don't spend much time with my colleagues because I don't have much in common with them, although they're great people. The local set around here is younger now even than the CND set is....
...and are very yuppified.
Yes, I'm a traditional metalhead and that doesn't really translate to any of the folks in CND except for Julian's brief brush with Blue Oyster Cult and Rainbow ala The Redeemed.
Crowe : Oh man, yuppies. Don't get me started on Coffee shops.
Speaking of music. What would land the Alienists top 10?
Alienist : Ironic - the golden age of Candelabra's first life was breathed in a little coffee shop near where my parents lived, and we all had a great artistic life together there. It was where I met Aqua Squish, who was something of a protegee of mine and also a great love, but it's gone now like so many other things in the past.
Music? Here it comes, since you aske for it. };]
Black fuckin' Sabbath, baby. I've even met them. I love that band desperately. They're part of my soul.
From there there's Ozzy solo, Blue Oyster Cult, Rainbow, Powers Court (my friend's band - http://www.powers-court.com), Iced Earth, Blind Guardian (to whom I'm listening as we speak), Steel Prophet, Judas Priest, Rob Halford, Jag Panzer, so many many others.....
I do not at all like nor can I digest nor tolerate 'nu-metal'.
If it were alive I'd kill it. As it is, I want it to fade away quickly.
The corporations always try to create a sugar-fortified alternative to True Metal.
Crowe : For the Metal(ally) challenged, define nu-metal for us ;)
Alienist : In the '80's it was Hair Metal ala Poison and Britney Fox etc., now it's that awful
Monster Magnet, System of a Down, Korn...
...Slipknot, all those guys.
The true metal scene has its pollution too, however, and there's too damn much death metal;
Crowe : I can't stand Korn and System. Man. I'm a big techno freak peronally. And a big 80's music fan. Nearly any 80's.
Alienist : when you turn around for something different, there's too much cookie-cutter power metal.
Folk Metal is a good development: Another band I love is In Flames.
I like Transient. Can't take techno for too long unless I'm in a group and it's a particularly good example of it. I liked Sheep on Drugs and Messiah myself, back in the day.
Crowe : What got you into the dark side of writing? Did your catholic background have anything to do with that?
Alienist : I have no doubt it had something to do with it.
I was taught largely by nuns in grade school. I was scared shitless of them, and they made dark threats to us to control us.
There was also the fact that kid's media of the time, plus some syndicated stuff from the '60's that was still playing on the old UHF stations was more violent than the stuff today - well, not more violent so much as they weren't afraid to show blood and death to kids then.
Now they make violence unrealistic and no one dies, although there are a whole lotta explosions.
I also always managed to lay my hands on reading materials that were violent or morbid.
There is also truly a genetic factor: the story about my mother running around to funeral homes to see the bodies on view is true.
She's still a cemetary ghoul today, at nearly 80.
She grew up right where I am in Philly now, it's weird. She was born a couple of blocks from my apartment.
Crowe : What's her fascination with cemetary's.
Alienist : And then there's the fact that I've been listening to Black Sabbath since I was 3 years old, thanks to my older sister.
She's just that way, plus she always wants to find the graves of relatives that she hasn't found yet.
I don't think she'll die until she finds her great grandfather who fought in the Union Army. I think I shall have to hire someone to find it and then show it to her when I finally have had enough of her. };]
I also had a 'cousin', the son of one of my mother's lifelong buddies, who had access to some morbid stuff and would expose me to it.
However, I had more imagination than he did, and when I took the ball and ran with it with my creative response to the things he'd show me, he got very intimidated and stopped spending time with me. =)
Crowe : What about movies? I take it horror movies were among your favorites?
Alienist : I saw The Shining when it first came out, with my sister. I did enjoy it, but I always enjoyed war and sci-fi movies much more.
I kept encountering pictures of people being hanged when I was younger.
This led to a serious obsession I've never really licked.
Crowe : For some reason, the term autoerotic asphyxiation comes to mind.
Alienist : Once when I was a kid, I was looking at a TV Guide - this is in the mid-70's here - and found a pull-out card for a Time-Life series of books about the Wild West. One picture on this card had four guys hanging by the neck on the sherrif's porch. Their necks were so elongated it was gruesone.
Yes, there's that sexual stuff too, which I found out when I bought a three-part comic book series called 'Exquisite Corpse' back in 1989. Nothing to do with Poppy Z. Brite. This came long before that book.
In that comic series, which was a one-shot in three simultaneous issues - meant to be read in any order - a guy murdered prostitutes while choking them and screwing them, and as they choked him.
It went back to his mother choking him while she caught him masturbating. He ejaculated during that encounter.
He was psycho after that. This was written by a guy who had been a police forensic investigator.
There was also RanXerox from the old Heavy Metal fantasy mag, that had some sick stuff in it, and that really twisted me. I wish I still had a copy of that stuff.
Crowe : Did you see strange days? Where the guy hooks up the recording device and jacks the girl in so she could watch him rape her through his eyes?
Alienist : I have always felt like the goth and metal scene has been catching up to me, and that I was morbid and dark years before it was in style.
Never seen that movie, although I've heard of it and it has come highly recommended.
Crowe : You should see it. Not the best movie, but well done and that scene gave it a high "twisted" factor.
Alienist : Blue Velvet and all the Twin Peaks stuff, particularly Fire Walk With Me, and also Wild Hearts are very close to my heart.
I love the carnage in 'Private Ryan'.
I love watching Mel Gibson crush the guy's head in his bed from his horse with a flail in 'Braveheart'.
Crowe : Movies most gruesome moments with "Alienest" tonight at 9!
Alienist : I absolutely love 'Plunkett & MacLeane', the British movie with Liv Tyler about two 17th century outlaws raising hell in the english countryside...
...the one guy gets hanged! But he survives. Oh, that's another thing, seeing Clint Eastwood in 'Hang'em High' got me off.
Alienist? They've adapted the Kaleb Carr book finally?
Oh, I see. I'm the feature at 9! Muahaha!
See what a silly morbid fuck I am? };]
Crowe : Heh. Indeed.
So what projects are on the horizon for you?
Alienist : I saw an episode of Xena where she finds this crowd hanging this woman - then she rescues her and briefly hangs the hangman. I kept wishing I were he - I was getting off. I really dig Lucy Lawless, she's got those powerful legs. If she were blonde, she could be my Daughter of Thanatos anyday.
Projects for the future:
Crowe : Speaking of Xena, I'd let that Calisto chick do whatever she wanted with me.
Alienist : I play bass and would like to begin a traditional metal band, but there's no one around me to play with.
Oh, Hudson Leick is so hot...
and I have a sick, deep hankering for evil women. Callisto's just too sexy...
I'm not even typically into blondes, and she gets my rocks hot, ouch!
Evil female characters keep my attention consistently.
Crowe : No doubt. And she wore black leather.
Alienist : Yes she did. Yes she did.
And back to future projects
I've mentioned near the beginning of this rambling discourse that I will likely leave Candelabra soon and simply put my stuff on lit.org or start my own group, which of course will publish on HTML and possibly print as well, locally.
My sister and I tried this a couple of years ago, but it died. It was called 'Simony'. We had a stable of writers but weren't getting any hits at all. I couldn't get people interested in it on IRC, they would just look at it and cut it to pieces. I thought it was a very good debut. What the fuck did they want, flash plug-ins?
Go to a fucking KISS concert or some shit...
It's fucking poetry, fuckers.
Crowe : hah. No kidding. Well, I'll promote you on lit.org all you want! Just say the word.
Alienist : I would like to take The Stranger with me into whatever I do, but I think he may have more of a rapport with Julian and the gang than he does with me.
I wouldn't expect him to leave CND. After all, I was briefly in both SAZ and CND, you'll remember.
I even got Julian to release some stuff in SAZ.
Now, it was SAZ that really got me started on my necrophilia kick, and julian and Black Onyx were around to see that.
Crowe : I don't know if you'll remember or not, but I was sorta in SAZ for like a minute. I tried to join, and was accepted but the group folded days before the submission deadline. DOH!
Alienist : He had that damn .mod in there playing with those two voices: 'Necrophilia!' 'It gives me pleasure...'
He and Jack Flack have toyed with the idea of bringing SAZ back in some form. I might very well spring to action to help with that.
Crowe : I'd love to see that. SAZ, to me, was the first serious lit group.
Alienist : It was in fact the first 'group' that I encountered in my wide travels on the old BBS landscape...
...after julian schooled me a bit on the 'scene', I started checking out some of the ansi and other lit stuff...
I knew I could do it better, and not to tweak The Stranger but I felt I could even top SAZ, and he even admitted later that I had done so. When I let CND die years ago, he was sort of heartbroken. He said to us in email, "You guys were the future of lit..."
From there it disintegrated very fast. None of the groups had any real staying power at that point, and SAZ had lost its will to live.
The only real evidence that there had been the 'lit scene' was the #lit channel on EffNet.
Crowe : To me the lit scene died when it refused to embrace the web. When it finally did, it was to little to late. To many massive lit sites were around to take in the weary writer looking for a place to be seen.
The sad fact is, most days #lit is for the band. Ugh.
Alienist : I was right all along - but somehow Julian and that gang made it work - but their push in the social goth scene helped them to that.
Their live meets-and-greets at a certain Philly goth club helped.
Dark web rings and stuff helped. Word-of-mouth helped on the net.
#lit helped, methinds.
Crowe : I think any group willing to change from scene group to zine group has a chance of making it work. Zines are a huge part of the net culture.
Alienist : methinks, rather. I'm finally getting sleepy. :) I'm listening to this Ambient .mp3 some guy put together with samples of Ella Fitzgerald, Louie Armstrong and Django Reinhardt....
Candelabra is listed on the Zine site of the net. I think it's www.zines.com , but I'm not sure.
Crowe : Lol. I've been tinkering with Sound Forge and Acid Tracks...
Alienist : How friendly is that software?
Crowe : Lit.Org will have a channel dedicated to zines soon!
The software is pretty damn friendly if I can use it ;)
Alienist : Excellent idea.
I'll have to pick it up and start writing music again. Did you, perchance, like my old .mods?
While I was in college, running my own board and writing .mods all the time, and I mean all the time, I had a following.
There were kids in Pittsburgh who were heavily into my .mods, according to Lord Spinwright, who was a local out there.
I was very nearly the only person writing punk and metal .mods.
I had one about killing Barney (the purple fucking dinosaur).
Crowe : Man, those mod's were the coolest. It was one of the reasons I downloaded packs every time.
Alienist : I should do one about satanic teletubbies or something.
Thankew, thankew. :)
I did all of those on an old Soundblaster 1.5, with the old ModEdit 2.0.
I couldn't handle the .s3m editors when they came out....
Crowe : hah. I remember trying to learn "IT" .. but never could master anything in the MOD world.
Alienist : All my .mods were simple four-track affairs, very meat-and-potatoes. Drum track, guitar track, bass track, and a track for percusion and voice samples.
Crowe : I gave up mod's, wav's, midi's etc, in favor of embedding mp3's in flash!
Alienist : There remains one .mod that is unused from those days, but had been released under one of my old nicks - 'Kruhl'. I did it with a buddy named Don Welsch, and it used samples from Denis Leary's 'No Cure For Cancer'. It was called 'PC Must Die', and it was uproarious, and musically excellent for what it was.
Julian would never use it because it didn't fit the vibe of Candelabra in his opinion.
Crowe : Yeah, I would think anything funny might clash with the general mood of CND!
Alienist : He almost didn't use 'Evil Moon', which was about the last one we embedded in a pack, I think...
If CND doesn't implode, it may experience a tremendous change in direction. Julian indicates in his most recent editorial (Oct 13 2k1) that he's tired of the 'darkness' vibe...
Crowe : That'll be interesting.
Alienist : I may do a sci-fi and fantasy zine. Of course, that's been done, in fact to death, but I'll find a way to twist it.
OR I may revive the idea I had for 'Simony' with my sister.
Crowe : I've found myself totally absorbed by super hero fiction.
Alienist : She won't be part of it this time, however, because she's far too busy with other stuff.
She was 'Kathryn Baer' in CND, briefly, and was a published poet before that.
Agh. I can't handle super heroes. Too old hat.
I used to love Spiderman.
Crowe : I'm 28. I'll never be too old for that. I only call them super hero's because they have powers. It's really speculative fiction.
Alienist : I can't stand Xmen and stuff. Very corny to me. And I think it should have passed its shelf life by now. I'm absolutely sick of anime/manga, always hated that shit. All the same.
I love Star Wars comics. The Dark Horse stuff has been great.
Crowe : When you read, what do you read? Do you have a favorite Genre or Author?
Alienist : Science fiction: various Star Wars novels, also Larry Niven. Also Tolkein. Also, classical 'canonical' literature, as you'll see below.
Crowe : If you could meet one Author, Dead or Alive, who would it be?
Alienist : Mark Twain or Zora Neale Hurston. I would want to sleep with ZNH, so she gets the preference. :)
Crowe : If you published a "Great American Novel" .. what would the title be?
Alienist : "The Legend of Lady Betty" (the historic hangwoman of Roscommons, Ireland, 18th century) Yes, I'd wanna do her too.
Crowe : What are some of your favorite web sites. What sites do you visit on a regular basis?
http://www.codemasters.com (I love Operation Flashpoint!)
http://www.lit.org (of course!)
Crowe : You've been writing for quite a long time. Do you have any advice for aspiring writers?
Alienist : Write what you know most about. Nathaniel Hawthorne tried to get his start by writing about genteel characters and nobility and court intrigue, lords screwing the kitchen girls and getting caught by the ladies type of thing. Those books sold miserably. Then he started writing what he knew a great deal about: his Puritan colonial American heritage. The result of course put him in the American/English literary canon: 'The Scarlet Letter'.
Crowe : Any closing comments? Any projects you want to plug etc?
Alienist : Read Candelabra, if you can handle the darkness! };] Otherwise, I'll be doing my own literary project on the internet soon, as we've discussed, so be looking for that! The Alienist won't go away this time...
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