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Conformity or…not?

Looking back at the last 40 years of my life, I think occasionally of the eight or so years I spent working in Palliative Care, and all the people I met there, for the first time, at the end of their lives. I think of what they said, and of what they never said. And, even if I walked away from that field of practice, I remained interested in it and kept up with some of what continues to be written about it. A far-away colleague, a nurse in Australia, wrote a book she calls “The Top Five Regrets of the Dying”.
Number one is “I wish I’d had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me.”
Yes. I’d heard that before, also, thousands of miles away from where she’d heard it, and often.
In our pursuit of happiness, do we conform to others’ expectations, or do we trailblaze our own expectations of ourselves, or is there something else we do, maybe a combination of both?
And what do we expect of and for ourselves? How much do others expect of us, and how much do we expect of ourselves? How important are appearances? Where, between nothing and everything, should the markers of our expectations, and the world’s expectations of us, be set? Why are our expectations of ourselves so different, so often, from the expectations others have of us?
When I was a girl, I was brought up to think I must marry and have children. My father would not provide financial help to me for University when I said I wanted to become a doctor, because I am a girl and so, should be happy with being “just” a nurse.
So I became a nurse, married and had two children, as my parents expected of me.
Over time, their expectations of me and my expectations of myself became more and more compatible with my pursuit of happiness. Lucky for me, because this spared me the effort of making radical changes in my life.
As years went by, I no longer regretted not becoming a doctor, and not marrying and not having children so I could become a doctor. As years went by, I settled in to a happiness I had not initially envisioned for myself, at 16.
What would my life have been if I had lived it “true to myself”, as a “bad daughter”? Who knows? And, really, who cares, now that I do not have that life. Maybe I would play golf, and love it, instead of abhorring it as I do.
Maybe I would have more money.
Would I be happier than what I am now? Not sure…

But what if I’d been lesbian, or transsexual and what if I’d wanted/needed a sex change? What if conforming had not been an option? Would I have been able to pursue happiness anyway? Maybe, through infidelity, drugs and alcohol, and other activities more edgy than mainstream.
Is the pursuit of bliss the same as the pursuit of happiness?
Initially, I suppose.
I’m not so sure I would have studied poetry as I do in this life, if I’d become a doctor instead…And without poetry and its beauty, there is, for me, less happiness to be had.
I, among many, did not have the "courage" of non-conformity. Must mean I, and many, are cowards.






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Of all known institutions, I attend only two: church, in my heart, and school, in yours. Both are subject to demolition. - Lucie Adams, 2007
It is only for poetry to know how many stanzas fit into one caress. - Lucie Adams, 2008


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The following comments are for "Conformity...or not"
by windchime

Life is just a bowl of Cherries





Palliative Care..... I would probably be able to do that if I was an Ostrich. A few days back I saw a skunk at the edge of a small field behind my house that was in distress, a chap that had seen it earlier had left a small dish of water besides it. I thought it would probably be best to go get a shovel and end its pain rapidly... I had attempted the same for a rabbit with Mixi in Gibraltar using a large stone however the rabbit moved and I had to hit it a second time to kill it. Made me feel like a murderer. I left the skunk to its fate and later saw that it had gone.... Maybe it had drank some water and survived ... more likely the chap had returned and removed the body...... I had escaped responsibility.

When I cared for my wife I wracked my brains for ways to extend her life.... I felt helpless.

I think the Doctor Job would have been easier than the Palliative care thing Lucie..... The cards were stacked against you there... about as much chance as an undertaker having long term relationships with the client.....Worse still what did/do you dream about ??? You know too much about those last few weeks of life.....

If I was to start my life again from 15 I would be content if was similar to the one I have lived I am perfectly happy with my lot.... so far... and everyone has to have a share of spills and thrills.

I admit that if I had a Sex change I would then have to become a Lesbian...... Sorry Guys you just don't do it for me.....

( Posted by: Fairplay [Member] On: July 12, 2012 )

Eric
You know, a lot of people say they never regret anything they do or don't do during the course of their lives.

When they get to the ends of their lives, and begin "life review", they have regrets and, never having had regrets before, don't know what regrets are or how to "feel" them.

Yes, there were nightmares. Fewer, now.

When my turn comes, I truly do not like the idea of dying a coward, though.

Maybe the doctor job would indeed have been easier...I would have been able to afford domestic service...

Lucie

( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: July 12, 2012 )

Epitaph




Lucie I suppose I should start writing my Epitaph now before too many regrets kick in....

I already regret that ambitions are slowly being modified by abilities..... not much chance of making the Olympic Team......body is not up to it... Changing the world...brain is not up to it.

Never thought much about the cowardly bit ...I would always like to jump in with two feet but fortunately sufficient brains..... or common sense prevails.

Here am I where I lay
Lived tomorrows for today
Try your hardest try and try
In the end you have to die

( Posted by: Fairplay [Member] On: July 12, 2012 )

Epitaph
By the time you read this I'll be dust...
Hurry up, cry over me, if you must;
may as well complain, and groan and moan.
I'm not even here - it's just my headstone!

( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: July 12, 2012 )

SPAM ???
Hi Lucie

Just need to confirm if your email has been compromised (if it is your email) or warn you that someone is using
Lucie Adams misslu16@yahoo.com to contact me as follows

Lucie Adams misslu16@yahoo.com

04:42 (4 hours ago)

to undisclosed recipients
Hello.

Just writing to let you know our trip to Madrid,Spain it has been a mess. We were having a great time until last night when we got mugged and lost all our cash,credit card cell phone.It has been a scary experience, I was hit at the back of my neck with a pistol. Anyway,I'm still alive and that's what's important.We have been to the embassy and police i was told to come back in 3weeks time. I'm financially strapped right now and need your help.


Lucie

( Posted by: Fairplay [Member] On: July 13, 2012 )

thanks, Eric
You're about the sixth person notifying me of this. My friend Sue emailed me to tell me she had some rolled up pennies and I emailed her back that I did die of the pistol hit and could she please send her pennies to the funeral chapel listed below. You have to know Sue, I guess.
Then I got a PM from somebody on this site.
Then my friend Jackie called.
Then my friend Linda called.
Then Sam hollered at me from upstairs.
And now you send me a comment.

Yes, my email has been compromised.

And yes, I cannot notify my contacts of this because my contact list has been deleted.

My inbox has been emptied as has my file folder.

A bad day so far, I guess...

Lucie

( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: July 13, 2012 )

Lucie
Sounds like a scam that has been going around for years...but they usually call grandparents,telling them that their grandson was attacked and needs finanacial help for medical reasons/or bail money!!!

I'd just yes them to death...get their phone number to call them back to let them know when they can receive the money, and then call police!

As for your original piece here, in the name of all your patients, I'm delighted you didn't become a stuffy old...detached brilliant doctor...and instead helped so many souls leave this world in peace, feeling they are loved!

Bea

( Posted by: Beatrice Boyle [Member] On: July 13, 2012 )

Lucie spam



The loosing your contacts isn't so funny unless you have them backed up.

They didn't even sat where to send the money to.... they didn't list an address or account.

Just bad (clever) little buggers with nothing better to do I expect...and you inadvertently opened a small program which did all the damage....

I have deleted your email address and the email and look forward to a new contact/email in due course.

If I now have the same bug....... please don't send the money to my email.... Contact me here on Lit.org and I will open a separate account for you to pay it all into......

( Posted by: Fairplay [Member] On: July 13, 2012 )

Lucie
Lucie,

possibly trying to teach grandma to suck eggs but if your PC has been compromisedto this extent (yes I got the email too) do ake sure you change ALL passwords and look carefully at anything that might have had financial information on your PC.

PayPal, Bank Accounts, Ebay, Amazon etc. etc.


First time I've logged onto Lit in months so hope you and everyone else are OK.....

Ivor

( Posted by: ivordavies [Member] On: July 13, 2012 )

Ditto





Hey Ivor

I was thinking of saying exactly the same sort of thing..... Then I thought......

Lucie is so rich whats a few bob here and there.... whoops what I really meant was I dare not call her my granny and although she is a woman I thought she must know her way round a PC.

Hang on though...she must have looked at something that gave her the bug ?????

Maybe I should stop here after all it is still Fri 13th in Vancouver......

And what about the Conformity...or not ???

Do none conformists open Spam

I used to be a None Conformist .... what the army termed AOD (all other denominations)

( Posted by: Fairplay [Member] On: July 13, 2012 )

Hi IIvor!
Ivor...my dear old friend...where have you been hiding? Soo happy to see/hear from you on Lit again...PLEASE stay around this time...great things are about to happen, and as an old member of Lit...you should reap the benefits.

Now that you've published a couple of books (per Eric)don't forget your old friends here!

Bea

( Posted by: Beatrice Boyle [Member] On: July 14, 2012 )

Retired?
Lucie,Eric, Bea

I know this sounds like a cliche but the reason for my absence is quite simply that since I retired I have absolutely no spare time!

I find myself busy all the time despite the fact I have been careful not to take on any of the 'outside' commitments I used to have when fully employed. (Committe member/ secretary / chairman, School Governor, etc. etc.) I just do not know where the time goes though it is mainly with family problems, support etc. and it would appear that because I now do nothing I am available for Everything!

Anyway I have submited another piece I do not think I have previously posted on Lit which should be up soon. Incidently I have only 'published' one book although its contents and most of my other poetry can be found on my website www.ivordaviesco.uk

Ivor

( Posted by: ivordavies [Member] On: July 14, 2012 )

Life without regrets??
I think a lot of people confuse a life without regrets with a life without mistakes. My Dad always told me that the only bad mistake is the mistake that you don't learn from. Without the mistakes I've made in my life and the lessons I've learned from them, I wouldn't be the man I am today. I'm not saying this is the case with your story, just throwing it out there because, as usual, you've got me thinking...

I've often wondered what my life would have been like if I had conformed to what my family wanted and gone to college right out of high school instead of joining the military against my families wishes. I'm the first in my family to do so. Would I have been happier? Would I be dealing with medical problems I'm dealing with now? Perhaps, perhaps not. I do know that I would have never met my wife, I would not have the two beautiful children I have now. I think that things have a way of working out for the best. (True, its a cliche, but work with me here) I think life is what you make of it and happiness is found in one's self. Simply put, home and happiness is where the heart the heart is. In the case of your story, I think you may have been just as happy as a doctor playing golf as you are now, just in a different way. Just as I would have been happy in college instead of in the military just in a different way. You know? Six up and half a dozen down. Or perhaps I'm just rambling...

Thought provoking as always,

Dave

( Posted by: HeRoCoMpLeX [Member] On: July 17, 2012 )

for the best, Dave
You didn't conform. You went against your family's wishes. You had the "courage" to do that. I conformed. Was I a coward to conform?

You're not rambling. I think you clarify well that we only have one life to live, and we make the best of it!

I like your reference to mistakes we don't learn from.

I still haven't learned that if you give people a choice between being the best they can be and being the worst they can be, they'll choose the latter...I hope I live long enough to stop making this mistake of believing people are all always basically "good".

I was raised Catholic, Dave, and I have to tell you, my enemies are more and more difficult to love!

But may God bless the hackers into my email account, anyway!

Lucie

( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: July 17, 2012 )

Hackers Made me Smile





Your just being PC Lucy haha

May God bless their parents when they get married would be more appropriate.....

( Posted by: Fairplay [Member] On: July 17, 2012 )

btw all else, sorry
the guy im attempting to reach ..... has all windows and doors closed in his life, he owns this website.

Guys, IFA, true ifa, pulls ori sa out of leaves and stones. Lucumi, mojuba corale, tradition is great, however, lucumi takes the dead of oyo, whose rich families steamrolled the tradelines of the east where they came from, and those routes were sed by moslems, spanish, and honkeys in a slave trade.... now white boys split the stones in half and sell slaves on a very black market....

wont the spirits eventually destroy parasites...
why am i going to the place of phenomonen... er somethin.

He REALLY loves me, that prince the magi knew was behind a door.

I regret this heat, Obatala Bless all.

( Posted by: Roach [Member] On: July 18, 2012 )

ownership of stupidity
The commenter known as "roach" initially posted 6-7 comments here, all of them sounding like "drunk dialing", none of them mindful of where they were being posted.
When I saw them, I began removing them, then changed my mind about the final one, and decided to keep it.
If stupid comments are removed, how is the stupid commenter ever going to own his stupidity?
As a member here, do I care who another member is "trying to reach"? No I don't.
And, as a member here, do I care about "my" comment thread? Yes, I do, inasmuch as the comments made are about the piece I wrote. Otherwise, the comment thread is not "mine" as far as ownwership goes. It belongs to all who read, until I decide to remove the post altogether.
Assholery is, sadly, a much too frequent phenomenon.
Taking pride in assholery, though, is somewhat rare, as perps have their noses rubbed in humiliation for what they do.
Here is your opportunity, roach, to feel your pride.

For littering my space, may blessings be yours!

Lucie

( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: July 20, 2012 )

graffiti






I saw it as a cry for help to someone who has nursing in their blood.....

I did read it all before you deleted it but it was far too complex for me to understand.

The guy obviously has an issue (it's not your problem to solve it Lucie !!!) it just littered up your post.

After saying that it's not always the incoherent that caused the initial problems....When someone gets hurt mentally they can further damage themselves in their frustrations.... ie Keep on digging your own hole

Maybe he was Drunk or High or possibly it's an inherent trait.....




( Posted by: Fairplay [Member] On: July 20, 2012 )

no idea
I have no idea what this roach person is talking about, but I do know what this ISN'T. And it isn't a comment on my piece. All it is, is filler into a comment box that was conveniently open to this ranting tone. I have no interest in it, and no interest in its author, ESPECIALLY if this is, as you say, a cry for help.
I did say the ranting comments sounded like drunk dialing.
I never said I make excuses for drunks and their actions.
I do remit stupidity into the hands of its owner.

Lucie

( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: July 20, 2012 )

Regrets
Lucie,

I posted a comment on this previously because of the viral email and at that time had not read your post. In fact it was this email that got me to look into lit again, so I supose there is no il wind without some gain.

Back to your post, decisions are made at the time given all the circumstances, your current feelings, knowledge and moral standpoint. I do mean current, I doubt anybody would make the same choices at 16 as 60 but they are your choices at the time you made them.

At that point, whether to please others or yourself, to take the easy path or the hardest etc. was your current choice.

Would you have done things differently with hindsight, most probably but we don't have hindsight. Would you have accepted better advice when you made the decisions. Not possible as you had not the experience of which advice would be likely to be good or bad!

In other words, how can anybody actually have any regrets for the way they have led their life. Unreal regrets that were not obtainable maybe, like money, relationships, etc. one may say they regret but this is like saying "I wish I'd won the lottery!"

My signature beneath everything I post is:

"The moment created this second is a moment that's going to last.
It lives the full spectrum of time, the future, the present and past."

There is only the now and no amount of reflection will change that. I remember a vicar once saying to me:

"If you want to make God laugh...tell him your plans"

Experience seems to have proved this. Maybe fate is the overiding factor?

Enjoyed the read....

Ivor

( Posted by: ivordavies [Member] On: July 20, 2012 )

the point, Ivor
Your point is rational and logical. Your explanation absolves choices made. Your point of view is that of one not dying.

Deathbed regrets are emotional and speak of "courage" and "lack of courage".

The point is that deathbed regrets, and "the number one deathbed regret" are a very real occurence, one I've observed first-hand myself.

When some people are about to die, they regret
not being the best they could have been.

They seek absolution for that.

Dying is a bigger deal for most than it might be for you, Ivor...It has an inescapable way of cutting into the core of emotion.

You have me thinking, now, with your reference to fate being the overriding factor...

Thanks for the thoughtful comment!

Lucie

( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: July 21, 2012 )

Emotions
Lucie,

I take your pointb, but even though 'deathbed regrets' appear to have prompted your write, the main theme was your personal attitude towards conformity and any regrets that would have arisen from this.

Of course emotion is the overiding factor, and in my opinion quite rightly so. However by looking closely into the real reasons behind our feelings, decisions, actions, it is possible to settle emotions to the point where they are not totally responsible for our future actions/decisions.

I do not say this lightly, having dealt with the emotions of losing my own child, and another long period of depresion where emotions left me feeling that life was not worth living.

It is when you are in this state (may I suggest dying also) that the ONLY way out is to start being very calculated and look beyond your personal feelings. (My poem on depresion tries to explain this.)

This self evaluation is extremely difficult, and for many imposible. It does not take away the pain but it gives you a straw to cling to to rebuild your life (or accept death) in a more rational way. AND will eventually help you to come to terms with reality.

Sometimes this may be just realising that how you lived was in fact the best you could do, other times it may fortunately mean that you can start living again?

You write triggered all the demons I had faced in this respect and I would sugest also many other readers who have had close association with terminal illness. I have often said that I think your job was one of the most difficult I could imagine, mainly because the outcome was determined and the frustration of only being able to ease the pain (mentally) would have defeated many.

I would suspect that your councelling in many respects was giving reasurance possibly in line with the realities I have mentioned? Yes, we are emmotional beings and I would never want it any other way. We even feel guilty about not feeling guilty or forgetting to grieve.

Should we keep taking the tablets?.....

Ivor

( Posted by: ivordavies [Member] On: July 21, 2012 )

certainly, Ivor...
...serenity comes from nesting into a comfort zone whereby an interpreted reality stands in for truth so that guilt and other negative emotions may be "replaced" by something more satisfying. Like it or not, all humans err in ways that import, for us, regret on deathbeds. A "rewritten history" at the end of a life, may or may not eliminate regrets.

Self-evaluation, of which you speak realistically, is not always done with "self-honesty", if I may.

It helps when people who are dear will speak up at a deathbed and tell of how the dying person was good and kind and loving. Not many do that, though. Most will sit in silence and be "vigil-ant".

You've touched on something which shook me to my core, with your final sentence, about feeling guilty for forgetting to grieve. In Palliative Care, when a person dies, the body needs to be wrapped quickly because the bed needs to be made ready for the next dying person. There is no time (for staff) to grieve. I found myself on the brink of a serious depression because of that fact and had to walk away from this work. It had defeated me, this work.

It had, also, enriched me with its poetry.

I'm still thinking on fate.

Thanks for making me think.

Lucie

( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: July 22, 2012 )





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