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In everything, we have collectively developed a need to classify and categorize. This need is nothing less than obligatory when one attempts to be scientifically believable. Thus, in Psychiatry, Axis II lists the Personality Disorders; the Personality Disorders are divided into 3 clusters, named “A”, “B” and “C”. In cluster C, there are the obsessive-compulsive disorders. The three obsessive-compulsive disorders most often seen are, in decreasing order of frequency, hoarding, washing and checking. (Not the hockey kind of “checking”, of course, checking as in verifying…)

Hoarding, as the most prevalent, has now been further shown through the camera lenses that bring us “reality” TV. We see people whose personal effects have accumulated to the point of garbage not being disposed of, and we are told of an inescapable entrapment which requires outside intervention to remedy. The viewership for this includes all kinds of people who feel good watching because they “thank God” they’re not like that themselves. They experience mixtures of pity and ridicule for these sufferers, and this is somewhat soothing to them as it validates their non-participation in such a disorder. Schadenfreude. The pleasure one takes in the misery of others. Enough of a pleasure that it becomes popcorn-eating entertainment. Enough of a pleasure that viewers resent commercial breaks and want to see more. Indeed, enough of a pleasure that it can become addictive. Enough of an addiction, and networks capitalize on this, that reruns will be available alongside prime-time episodes to make sure not one crumb of Schadenfreude is lost.

So much for hoarding “stuff”.

I would propose, as I prepare for reactive vitriol, that facebook is the warehouse where the hoarding of people happens. And because it is cyber-hoarding, there is no geographical limit to this warehouse. Neither is there a limit to the hoarding and the accumulating. Whenever I think of people having thousands of friends on facebook, I am convinced that thousands is excessive. As I’ve said before, friending and friendship are very different from one another. Friending is indiscriminately cumulative. Friendship is discriminately complementary.

I find the excess of friending to be the same as the excessive hoarding of objects: pitiable and ridiculous. I have the same inclination to feel sorry for, and laugh at, facebookers with thousands of hoarded friends.

There is, however, no desire, no need and no disposition, towards outside intervention to remedy the hoarding of friends. It is not seen as a disorder. It is, rather, understood to be highly laudable. Frienders on facebook are perceived to be better than people who do not engage in this because they have “more”.

But is more better?

More stuff used to be better than less stuff, in the day and age when abject poverty was the death of you.

More friending is better than less friending in the day and age when abject isolation can lead to suicide.

One day, though, I think more friending will get to be as bad as hoarding more stuff.

I’m glad it’s not me.



***A/N Short story readers may be familiar with T. Coraghessan Boyle's "Filthy with Things"








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Of all known institutions, I attend only two: church, in my heart, and school, in yours. Both are subject to demolition. - Lucie Adams, 2007
It is only for poetry to know how many stanzas fit into one caress. - Lucie Adams, 2008


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The following comments are for "Thinking, again"
by windchime

I'm a HOARDER!
Hi Lucy...I've got to confess...I'm a HOARDER...there...I've said it!!!


Things, people...memories...I can't seem to part with ANY of them! Oh...except on facebook!!
I ignore all offers of people wanting to "befriend" me...unless I already know them...have enough REAL friends in real-life and can't always keep up with them...don't need "social" befriending!

My kids are despairing of me...have two set of clothing hanging in the closet for years mostly 3 sizes too small...that I will in reality never wear again...but keep them...just in case my fairy godmother restores me to my former younger self!

Have photo boxes galore inherited from my and my in-laws of people I have no clue as to who they may be, but feel disrespecful if I throw them away. I on the other hand, mark everyone of my pictures of myelf and the children with the date and ages of all of them so they won't be consigned to the trash heap the minute I leave this earth!

My late physcologist brother told me I was trying to hold on to my youth with "things" so I wouldn't have to acknowledge growing old! Never bought that theory...I was reminded daily that I was growing older every time I passed a mirror!lol!

Five of my dearest friends were girls I grew up with or met in School...still keep up with them, although One of them recently passed away. We've far apart...but never lost touch with each other for the past 60 to 70 years...THAT'S how I hold on to my youth...I hoard my friends and am proud to say "I AM a horder...so there!


( Posted by: Beatrice Boyle [Member] On: June 16, 2012 )

Bea, me too
Hoarding friendship friends can't be bad, after all, they were your friends before friending came about!

Sam and I hoard stuff, then we un-hoard it and on we go...

Some stuff I will never get rid of, like you say. Everytime I listen to people tell about how they lost their photos in fires, I cringe.

I would hate to lose my books.

My books made out of paper and binding.

I haven't kept my childhood friends. It's a bit weird...my childhood friends were all unilingual French and after I married Sam, whose spoken French is iffy, they drifted away...

I gotta tell you, I hoard my happiness!

Lucie

( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: June 16, 2012 )

Home Spun

Scientifically Believable

What was Gandi's first name

Goosey Goosey is fine but not strictly true

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

My research on Gandhi's character uncovers the facade of a gentle peace loving guy...... in reality like all the other do gooders that upset the balance of nature.... more like a spoke in the wheels.

The earth is a perfectly fine place until brains get too large and someone invents religion in an effort to control people.

However my dog isn't one tiny bit religious but understands I am a "Provider" I have an obviously unlimited supply of "Goodies" and she will hold out and turn her little nose up if the quality of such ever drops.

She has no need to Hoard because I "The Provider" will supply anything she needs.

Let me tie-in Gandi God and Doggie.... and myself.

Ghandi was an educated Man who obviously knew God could not provide, at least without a little help?

Doggie is a little less educated but knows not to worry... God Will Provide.

Me.... I am my dogs ultimate provider....her God.

To put it in simple English.

If you really believe in God then surely it's blasphemy to Hoard.

( Posted by: Fairplay [Member] On: June 18, 2012 )

weak argument, Eric
I would have to say that if you really believe in God then it's surely blasphemy to drink alcohol, to take mind-altering drugs, to gamble your paycheck, all following the belief that God will provide drunkenness, being high, hanging on to your "due" financial security...

Sinful or not, hoarding is an illness. As is addiction.

We're damaged, as humans.

Maybe Gandhi was "less" damaged, as in less "excessive" but still.

My question is would Gandhi have been on facebook?

Lucie

( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: June 20, 2012 )

Week maybe a year



To many factors.... didn't Jesus drink wine at the last supper and do a bit of bootlegging (turning water into wine} I must admit I have never ever taken that bread and wine stuff in church......

Marriage was a bit odd too...... The rules were !!!!

I was military had to ask the COs (Commanding Officers) permission.... ??? He must of been my God back then.... The downside was if I didn't ask I could still break Army Rules and marry but there would be no recognition.... I would still have to live in barracks etc etc.

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"In everything, we have collectively developed a need to classify and categorize. This need is nothing less than obligatory"

It would take me a book bigger than the Bible to even start to answer to your post Lucie.....

Just a thought on Hoarding (again)All those Bibles the best selling book ever (not sure which versions) must have destroyed countless tress.

My theory Taken from the Bible is you should never reap where you haven't sowed...... Time then to start planting the bibles where they might be some use as fertilizer.....

I could pick up on the drugs bit too.... On the American TV pretty much every drug comes with a health warning...... bit of the proven theory every action has an equal and opposite reaction... usually they mention possible death.

Do you remember the saga of the fag packets... When we were young the Cinema used to advertize smoking later the packets would carry a warning of death...then it became illegal to even display them in shops in a lot of places.....

The Bible has got away Scott Free.... No health warning ..... doesn't even need to be kept on the top shelves in Book Stores like other X Rated Material..... No mention of the fact that following it word for word causes death....

I am a believer that death cannot possibly be the end of everything......because there is no reason for the start of anything in the first instance.... So all I need to concern myself about is the very first bit you wrote again

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"In everything, we have collectively developed a need to classify and categorize. This need is nothing less than obligatory"

Obligatory..... hehehe

( Posted by: Fairplay [Member] On: June 20, 2012 )

MOre or Less, or More & Less
I think in the "old" days, like when I was a stubborn little kid, the meaning of "more" was much different than now. I used to think of "more" in terms of more pencils (loved to draw), more mashed 'taters at supper, more time to stay outsided after dark...

Now I think when youngsters here "more" they automatically think of physical possessions -- mostly electronic gadgets, and certainly money. But that is a sign of our times.

I kind of agree with your assessment that facebook friending is nothing more than hoarding, and yes can be very obsessive for some. But I think I like your assertion from previous opinion piece that it has more to do with narcissism than hoarding. But then again, I also see narcissism and obsessive behaviour.

I know people who have OCD tendencies -- not really to the point where they need help or intervention. Maybe it is simple obsession or compulsion -- which ever would fit. For example, a person who drives to the store following the same exact streets everytime, even though there are other paths to get there. Or someone who continually thinks of some little tid bit of information, over and over again, until the point that they become a nervous wreck, when all along the thought they carry around is so non-critical...

I know you have seen much more of this kind of behavior than most, and probably some of the worst cases. But like a lot of the "dirty" little scary things about life, most people choose to ignore, or tune it out. Now they have reality shows that display the worst behaviors of our society, as entertainment. Of course, I firmly believe it is all scripted to add shock value..

Thanks for making me think again.

BW

( Posted by: BWOz [Member] On: June 20, 2012 )

Eric, obligatory, hehehe
You're not here to discuss the points I make. You're not here to agree or disagree or to explain, believably, why you opine as you do. You're here to make your own points parallel to my focus.

I can't reply to the things you're saying. I can't even follow your reasoning.

Your comments create diversion with few references to the actual opinion piece.

But do feel free to make fun of my opinion all you want. I am happy to entertain.

Or, if you really have nothing else to do, check out a discussion I once had in one of my opinion pieces with RJKSingh. It was on colonization and civilization. And it WAS a discussiion. Not a diversion.

That commenter was willing and able to undertake the arguing of points with me.

That commenter, on that piece, was willing to think on the subject discussed and to stay on topic.

So find that piece if you're interested enough: it's classified and categorized under a five-digit "view" number.

Lucie








( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: June 21, 2012 )

Brian on thinking
Yes, you're on the track I'm on with this. Cluster "B", narcissistic, Cluster "C", obsessive-compulsive, more of one, less of the other? equal parts?

I remember a psychiatrist long ago who compared obsessive-compulsive behaviours to hiccups of the brain...

Facebookers are probably more primarily narcissistic than obsessive-compulsive.

"I'm unfriending you because you dont tell me a hundred times a day how wonderful I am".

This statement would long precede a statement such as "I gotta keep finding more and more new friends because some of them might be famous and important and I gotta get 'em while they still wanna be friended".

Next thought would be, and this is even scarier, Cluster "A", schizoid...

More gadgets and money, a sign of our times...Sigh, Brian.

For sure, when I was a stubborn little kid in the old days, if anybody told me we were going to the apple store, I would think we were going to buy fruit...

Today, any kid who walks and talks and is told that we're going to the apple store, is expecting a new computer!

Lucie

( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: June 21, 2012 )

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That commenter was willing and able to undertake the arguing of points with me.....

"I'm unfriending you because you dont tell me a hundred times a day how wonderful I am".

Like the Policeman said "Anything you say will be taken down twisted round and used against you....

I can see I might have upset the religious apple cart but surely "Experts" of higher intellectual and standing shouldn't patronize us lesser beings doing our best to keep the game going....

Now I am starting to feel sorry for intruding in your masterpieces and apparently somehow lowering their specifics.

I don't see you as an object of fun and I am sure you don't deliberately play the clown for me...

I see your opinion that anyone using Facebook is almost a penny short of a shilling. There must be a lot of us short changed.

Anyway if you claim not to understand my writing on your work maybe some of the thousands of people who read you might find the time to come to your support and keep Lit.org moving in ... err any direction.

( Posted by: Fairplay [Member] On: June 21, 2012 )

keep doing it, Eric
You make a comment.

I tell you your argument is weak.

You make another comment in which your argument is even weaker, as it is incongruent to the discussion I tried to open, thus incomprehensible to me.

I tell you you're not interested in discussing, only in diverting.

You like that even less, so that now, you are looking down your nose at me.

Great view for you!

You don't get that it's about what I write and not about me, Eric.

I take my writing seriously.

I don't take myself seriously.

If you've got such hatred in your heart that you have to contemptuously ironize my opinion pieces by calling them "masterpieces", then I feel sorry for you.

I post so that comments can generate a discussion.

You don't want to participate in a discussion, don't comment on my pieces.

You don't feel like coming up with a stronger argument for the sake of exploring ideas in this discussion, then don't.

You think of yourself as a lesser being, fine, but I think we are all the same.

Keep thinking of yourself as a lesser being and you will be a lesser being.

My opinion about people on facebook is my opinion. So say something to make me doubt my opinion. I never said anything about people on facebook being stupid. I never referred to brains, only to personalities.

Lucie






( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: June 21, 2012 )

You are what you write

If that shows hatred then I will have to live with that.

If it makes out that I have an inferiority complex I will have to live with that.

If this is your serious writing I think I will stick to my none serious stuff.

Don't take offense I am certainly not looking down my nose at anyone and think your writing is wonderful.

My apologies for putting all my graffiti on it




( Posted by: Fairplay [Member] On: June 22, 2012 )

none taken
Offense taken is when I get rearended by a texter who then walks out of the car still texting and kicks my bumper.

I'm not offended if you opt for diversion, rather than discussion but also, I won't engage in diversion as I would in discussion.

If I were offended, I would have unposted your comments by now.

Graffiti is art.

Lucie

( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: June 22, 2012 )

So much for hoarding
I used to love holding on to every book, CD and DVD I bought. But then I got to the point in my life where I realized these things only amounted to clutter. I constantly weed out things I can do without. Less is more, I guess.

Technology has become my ally these days. I am able to copy CDs to my iCloud account and rotate them on my iPod anytime I want. I already have over 900 albums on them (and counting). Still have a few hundred more to copy. Once copied, I donate them to thrift stores or trade them in for credit at the local indy music store. Blu Rays are my thing at the moment and that's what I use my credit on.

I am going to keep the facebook comments. You know where I stand on the (non) issue.

( Posted by: toscano [Member] On: June 22, 2012 )

Francisco, late
Thanks for supplying the thrift stores I go to.

Lucie

( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: July 7, 2012 )





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