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~o~The New Religion~o~

Yet another story has come out into the public view where out in some rural community, the children are being cut off from the outside world and regularly beaten and abused. What could possibly cause such a thing to happen? Are the parents mentally unfit? Is there a history of abuse? Well, what makes this and a number of other similar cases so disturbing is that the driving force behind these people is their love of god! According to the official reports, the ďparenting methodsĒ of the accused were based on a literal misinterpretation of various passages from the bible.

Being from a fairly isolated community myself, I can honestly tell you that the interference of irrelevant biblo passages into our daily routines at the hands of fanatics is a serious pain in the @$$! Not a day goes by where you donít here someone rant about closing the mall on sunday, legitimate medical research is frequently criticized as the devilís work, and quite frankly, Iíve had it up to here with religious homophobia!

Religions are outdated, itís an archaic concept that, in principle, may have worked out in itís heyday, but has since been made obsolete by our good friend the television set. No, Iím not talking about Jerry Falwellís old gospel hour tv program, Iím talking about the global media. Somewhere down the line, the vast majority of an entire generation went from going to church to feel spiritually uplifted, to watching televisions programs, and when you get right down to it, whatís the difference anyways? You sit your butt on a couch and listen to people on television tell stories that usually end with some kind of moral lesson. Television programs have theme songs for you to sing along with, and a slew of characters and situations which we can relate to our own everyday life.

And much like religion, people have been known to misinterpret what they see on television and do all kinds of s~t~u~p~i~d things in itís wake, the big difference being that with television, you can write letters and campaign to have the content changed. Could you imagine someone trying to get all the sex and violence out of the good book? Weíd call them nutbars!

Also, television can be laden with warning advising people not to try the dumb things they see on television. Iíd love to see a passage in the bible saying ďWarning, the catholic church is not responsible for any injuries, fatal or otherwise, that are caused by readers who may attempt to walk on water.Ē

I guess the point Iím trying to make with all this is that perhaps organised religion was a good idea back when 90% of the population were illiterate, starving and blissfully unaware of their own place in the universe, but the human race has since evolved and become more intelligent (in a way) and if religion wantís to keep itís place as the moral centre of the human race, their gonna have to seriously consider changing their entire ideal system, because between tv, radio, the internet, the associated press and the many moral crusades of U2ís Bono, the church has some serious competition. And a 2000 year old book just doesnít cut it in the modern world anymore.

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The thing's hollow - it goes on forever - and - oh my god! - It's full of stars!
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The following comments are for "Mard Vision #10"
by eleventeen

Faith and Religion are Separate:
Perhaps I'm the only person who follows this theory, but I've always considered faith and religion to be separate things, I mean, they ~can~ be combined, but it's not really neccesary.

Just because you belong to a religion does not automatically fill you with faith, I was baptised a catholic boy and I'm sure you've heard my either deny the existance of god, or even claim to be god from time to time.

It's also possible to have faith without religion, cause just because you do have faith, it doesn't mean the deity you put your faith into is required to conform with the Judao-Christian God, Allah or any other god figure from any organised religion.

I could put faith in god above, but my god would be less like jesus and more like Eric Clapton, my faith is no less valid than that of Christians, it's just directed differently.

And about the lizards not ducking, scientists now beileve they died from a shift in the axis. Not that it makes a difference, just food for thought.

( Posted by: eleventeen [Member] On: August 20, 2001 )

Faith, Organized Religion, Ducks, and...Jazz?
"Yet another story has come out into the public view where out in some rural community, the children are being cut off from the outside world and regularly beaten and abused. What could possibly cause such a thing to happen? Are the parents mentally unfit? Is there a history of abuse? Well, what makes this and a number of other similar cases so disturbing is that the driving force behind these people is their love of god! According to the official reports, the ďparenting methodsĒ of the accused were based on a literal misinterpretation of various passages from the bible."

And wouldn't we just love to blame religion for that?

Misinterpretation of the bible is an act of people. It's not religion that causes a person to be violent and stupid (it may be the last push after the fact, granted).

What the hell does that mean, you ask? Say you read the bible, in particular, the story of David and Goliath. And you decide to go find your nearest bully and beat his brains out with a rock.

The ability to commit violence, or the thought of committing violence, rather, was already there. You just needed something to justify it, and the Bible just happened to supply that. So why blame religion when you were the one who committed the act?

"Being from a fairly isolated community myself, I can honestly tell you that the interference of irrelevant biblo passages into our daily routines at the hands of fanatics is a serious pain in the @$$!"

Here, here.

"Not a day goes by where you donít here someone rant about closing the mall on sunday, legitimate medical research is frequently criticized as the devilís work, and quite frankly, Iíve had it up to here with religious homophobia!"

Again, me too.

"Religions are outdated, itís an archaic concept that, in principle, may have worked out in itís heyday, but has since been made obsolete by our good friend the television set."

I think you misunderstand the entire purpose of religion; it's versatile. And for good reason; it would have to be to keep up with the times. There are those who won't attend church. And these same people, most likely, won't tune into Billy Graham on TV. Which is why the media (by no fault of their own, usually) will leak in those pesky morals (or their versions of them) into TV Shows.

And what's so bad about that? They may annoy you, anger you, cause you to change the channel, but is the communication of religion really going to hurt you? And, is that really what bothers people, you think? Or is it the reminder of our rather one-sided natures?

"No, Iím not talking about Jerry Falwellís old gospel hour tv program, Iím talking about the global media."

I already covered this, right? Okay, good.

"Somewhere down the line, the vast majority of an entire generation went from going to church to feel spiritually uplifted, to watching televisions programs, and when you get right down to it, whatís the difference anyways? You sit your butt on a couch and listen to people on television tell stories that usually end with some kind of moral lesson. Television programs have theme songs for you to sing along with, and a slew of characters and situations which we can relate to our own everyday life."

Yes...and? So? But? Therefor?

You speak as though this is the curse of the world, though you don't quite tell me why. I'm curious; is it the media you're speaking against here, or religion? The points aren't very discernable...

"And much like religion, people have been known to misinterpret what they see on television and do all kinds of s~t~u~p~i~d things in itís wake, the big difference being that with television, you can write letters and campaign to have the content changed. Could you imagine someone trying to get all the sex and violence out of the good book? Weíd call them nutbars!"

True. But people are stupid. One could argue that God is not. So which is to blame?

"Also, television can be laden with warning advising people not to try the dumb things they see on television. Iíd love to see a passage in the bible saying ďWarning, the catholic church is not responsible for any injuries, fatal or otherwise, that are caused by readers who may attempt to walk on water.Ē"

Actually, that would be quite amusing. I wouldn't mind seeing that myself...

"I guess the point Iím trying to make with all this is that perhaps organised religion was a good idea back when 90% of the population were illiterate, starving and blissfully unaware of their own place in the universe, but the human race has since evolved and become more intelligent (in a way) and if religion wantís to keep itís place as the moral centre of the human race, their gonna have to seriously consider changing their entire ideal system, because between tv, radio, the internet, the associated press and the many moral crusades of U2ís Bono, the church has some serious competition."

Again, you don't quite understand why religion *is* the center or morality and *why* it's important that it not change it's ideals.

Religion had been shown to survive throughout history *despite* the world's various Bonos and U2s and what have you. It hasn't had to change what it's about because, in a way, it's been the one constant throughout time.

It's always been here. It'll always be here. Humans have evolved, science with it, and still religion hasn't changed. It hasn't had to, and in my opinion, will never have to.

Just because those around it have gotten smarter and, at the same time, stupider (is that a word?), doesn't mean religion should be the thing to change.

"And a 2000 year old book just doesnít cut it in the modern world anymore."

It's cut it for a very long time. I don't think Britney Spears is suddenly going to mute the point. Or any point, for that matter.

As for the ducks...there were ducks?

And Jazz? That was all the other stuff.

So overall, I give this a 8 for humor (or at least the little red angel on my shoulder does. The white one is currently booking my passage to Hell) and a 6 for thought. At times the points were fuzzy, and I could have used more examples to develop your opinion.

However, I give it a 10 in the "make them think" department. It's always nice to read something that makes you want to debate. ;)

( Posted by: Mila Darjean [Member] On: August 20, 2001 )





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