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" Our enemies are innovative and resourceful and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people and neither do we. "

" Make no mistake about it, I understand how tough it is, sir. I talk to families who die. "

" I remember meeting a mother of a child who was abducted by the North Koreans right here in the oval office. "

" This thaw took a while to thaw, it's going to take awhile to unthaw. "

" There's no doubt in my mind, not one doubt in my mind, that we will fail. "

" Rarely is the question asked is our children learning? "

" I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully. "

" These are the achievements of our country and we should be proud of the achievements that we have achieved. :

" The fact that they purchased the machine meant somebody had to make the machine. And when somebody makes a machine, it means there's jobs at the machine-making place. "


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The following comments are for "Favorite Bush Quotes"
by gamblerman

uh.....

I 'll take a professor any day over a dunce....

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 14, 2009 )

Absolutely....

I hold no ill will towards Dagger whatsoever.

But I do not feel that Bush was an untruth....

Bush was a fabrication created by Karl Rove.

Worse then Reagan....

An empty hologram projected out to the waiting media space.

The Crawford ranch and Mission Accomplished were all part of a carefully choreographed movie-like western.


Obama has already apologized for his mistakes barely three weeks into his term.

Bush refused to admit any mistake until his final year.

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 14, 2009 )

well....
My grandfather was a historian.

Bush stole the 2000 election, period. But this has happened before in American history. Jackson won in his first try, but had his victory stolen by Adama 2, before he won twice later on.

Tilden had his election stolen to Rutherford Hayes.

Cleveland from Harrison. That's why his presidencies are split in two.

Gore had far more brains than Bush. I actually met Gore when he was an unknown congressman. Gore like Bush 2 however was a miserable speaker.

Most historians do not rank Reagan in the top ten.

But many stupid Americans think he's number one. better than Lincoln which is utter nonsense.

Reagan began bankrupting the country and Bush 2 finished the job.

I firmly predict like most Historians that Bush 2 will be ranked as one of the worst presidents of all time if not the worst..

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 15, 2009 )

uh....

I was born in California. My dad was American and my mother was Mexican. My dad re-married an Israeli women of iraqi descent. I lived in Mexico and Israel extensively.

I have traveled to over 60 countries and consider myself a global citizen.

That's why I resonate with Obama and think Bush is a joke.

The people who REALLY run this country are no joke at all. they are ruthless maniacs.

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 15, 2009 )

and....

I said MANY stupid Americans. This does not mean all and certainly a majority voted for Obama and Gore and the slight majority who voted for Bush in 2004 now certainly regret this.

I believe in the UN....perhaps someday it will be the DNA for some Star Trek kind of global federation, but I doubt it.

Humans are heading for a systems collapse in 40 years....

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 15, 2009 )

uh....

I prefer to call a spade a spade....

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 16, 2009 )

well....
if you were an ALIEN this discussion might be more interesting....

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 16, 2009 )

uh....
If you say so....why are you continuing this conversation.

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 16, 2009 )

Hahahaha-HA! Michael...
Ya betcha! Funny quotes, Michael, but only a dash, there were so many more. Thank goodness that criminal is gone, now for the sake of the UNION of the UNITED STATES, let's forgive that slimy snake and move on...

Tashi Delek!

Karma Tsering Lhamo

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: February 17, 2009 )

Well...
Some people don't like having their mind stretched....
LOL

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 17, 2009 )

hmmm
I'd prefer indictment.

( Posted by: ROBERT WALKER [Member] On: February 17, 2009 )

uh....
I prefer smarter comments...

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 17, 2009 )

Bizarre...
I am not a liberal.

I'm a systems thinker.

I see different kinds of minds and the structures behind them and let them go through their paces.

Your mental software is 100% predictable.

There is a time for individuals to do their thing. There is a time for the collective to do its thing.

Big structures will rise and fall and individuals will rise and fall.

Both are embedded in each other.

I prefer to talk to ALIENS who can compare different kinds of human and non-human evolution.

Since no Aliens are around.

You do a mind simulation.

M




( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 17, 2009 )

Liberal? I am not a liberal either...nope;-)
I can't speak for Robert Walker, and Michael aka Gamblerman has already spoken for himself, but...

I am not a "liberal" either, nor do I live in a red or blue state world. I live in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, I guess that makes me a socialist, communist, unionist, northern elitist or maybe something else all together? I might even be an alien?

And, yes, I still forgive George W. and his buddies, though many here in the UNITED STATES do indeed want to see them all punished.

I stand behind President Obama and his wish for the healing of the union of the united states, one nation, one people.

(an alien?...cool;-)

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: February 17, 2009 )

Some suggestions.
Hi Everyone:

I'm pulling myself away from my computer (working on my contracted manuscript) to get back on . . . my computer! I have some suggestions when it comes to threads such as these.

Everyone has an opinion; unfortunately, not everyone has an educated opinion. I'm not saying that this thread is uneducated, nor am I saying that the participants are uneducated; however, since the core of litdotorg is to improve writers and their writing, I think a bit of work from all parties involved is called for here.

Opinions need to be backed up with fact, and facts need to be documented. It is only through documentation that an argument based on fact carries weight.

For example: The quotes used to start this thread. They are very interesting quotes, but how do I, as a casual reader, know that the quotes are quoted correctly? How do I know that President Bush ever said these things, not having heard them myself? Simply, I don't. They could all be fabricated.

Where is the documentation for those quotes? I would like to know when they were stated, where they were stated, and who recorded the original statements. I'm sure documentation exists for those things.

Dagger alluded to a lot of "facts" in his opinions; however, as a casual reader, how do I know if those facts are accurate? Where is the documentation supporting the facts that support his opinions?

Even in Karma's post, she wrote, "And, yes, I still forgive George W. and his buddies, though many here in the UNITED STATES do indeed want to see them all punished. I stand behind President Obama and his wish for the healing of the union of the united states, one nation, one people."

Where are the facts supporting that? For what is she forgiving George W. Bush? Who wants to see him punished? When did Obama state his wish for the healing of the Union of the United States? A lot of assumptions are made there, and those statements need some type of documentation to show that they are personal opinions based on facts. And documentation should be given to show that those facts are, indeed, facts.

As a reader, I've read a lot here. Unfortunately, I've learned nothing. Nor has anything written here been effective in swaying my own personal opinions in any direction. Facts are lacking, as is the documentation of those facts.

At least those are my suggestions for improvement of threads such as these. Take my suggestions as you will.

Ochani Lele.





( Posted by: OchaniLele [Member] On: February 18, 2009 )

Well...
I personally wrote this post because I felt it was amusing. The quotes were lifted from an article in the SF Chronicle which actually had even more quotes....I found this thread amusing and I'm OK with it, but parts of it were indeed tedious.

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 18, 2009 )

FACTS
When has anyone or anything, be it in the realm of science, politics, religion, or even post-Blakian, neo-acid crypto-intellectualism, ever allowed a few facts to get in the way of institutionaled bias? Why should writing be any different.

Ochani makes good points ~ but they have more to do with values than with language as a raw tool for expession. Experience is one thing. expression of experience another thing entirely and we do well not to confuse the differences.

Expression may be free form, or highly structured. Either way, language is a virus. It mutates, and along with it, meaning. Einstein, once asked if he believed in extra-terrestrial intelligence, replied... "there is very little evidence for it here on earth, why should we epect to find it anywhere else?"....

And anyway, I have prefaced more than one piece flowing from my pen with the disclaimer; " the facts have been changed to preserve our innocence"

( Posted by: SURLYGHILLIE [Member] On: February 19, 2009 )

I mean....
Facts and opinions are relative....

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 19, 2009 )

re: SurlyGhillie
Shades of William S. Burroughs there. "Language is a virus from outer space."

I happen to agree. Language is not the thing it describes. The map is not the territory, and no one goes into a restaurant to eat the menu.

Well, probably no one.

Or, as Aleister Crowley said: "Enough of Because! May he be damned for a dog!"

( Posted by: Beckett Grey [Member] On: February 19, 2009 )

re ; gamblerman
No Gamblerman. Relationships are relative.

Opinions too,often are absolute, their arbitrariness notwithstanding . That's the problem with them. If you doubt it, hey, just re-read this very thread, or, if your world knows of them, maybe look in a mirror.

To the rest of us primitives living in far flung corners of the globe, outside the restraints of the 'American Dream' and away from it's artificial incandescence, can you imagine how insignificant this all is? Have you any awareness of the extent to which the American Dream is perceived as having become, at best, a wet one and at worst, The Global nightmare? ("These are my principles... if you don't like them, I have others..." Groucho Marx.)

Facts? They too are more absolute than you allow. The speed of light is precise... and constant beyond any need for debate, and beyond the co-incidence of who's pooch may or may not be pooping in the White House at any particular point in space and in time.

So what if time curves? It can be measured. Perhaps, if America has not before then dropped napalm on us, who knows, we may yet learn to predict it.

( Posted by: SURLYGHILLIE [Member] On: February 19, 2009 )

Uh...
Perception is relative....

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 19, 2009 )

the speed of light
The speed of light isn't precise. The number you've been given relates to the speed of light under a very specific set of conditions. In a vaccuum, at certain temperatures, provided nothing else is involved, the speed of light is that speed.

The rest of the time it's something else, the slowest possible speed being through Sodium, when it can slow to about 30mph.

Nevermind. You just said that absolutes did, in fact exist. That you could prove everything was Black and White, that there could be an ultimate Right and Wrong, which seems at odds with what you'd been saying earlier.

But then, there IS that Groucho Marx quote...

( Posted by: Beckett Grey [Member] On: February 19, 2009 )

Hum....
From Bush to the speed of light...this thread had morphed quite miraculously....

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 19, 2009 )

Uh... did we drop a D?
Okie Dokie. we seem to be getting somewhere. So not only facts and opinions are relative, but perceptions too?

Can't argue with that and where is the fun in can't argue?

And you Beckett Grey, are right, damn your eyes. I am busted. I was imprecise. I needed to say the speed of light, unimpeded, neither deflected, reflected, refracted, or absorbed.

Yup. there is beauty in the view from the centre of the Universal belly-button. The nature of Everything is first paradox and only then anything else. On the one hand IT is one thing, and on the other, its exact antithesis, the purest opposite.

At the edge of quantum physics we discover a decidedly non-material reality, yet here we are squabbling, "fighting like Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young in the dressing room at Filmore East before a big rock concert" (Zappa?)

I claim no expertise in American politics, or its history, yet am swayed by the perception out here, away from the command module of Spaceship Earth, that whenever an American president has contemplated fundamental change to way 'business' gets gone, they have landed up dead. You killed them! The danger comes from within, striking from the bosom of Apple- Pieville.

I am reminded of a riddle we ask of guests here in the mountains;
What is the difference between a politician (any politician) and a barbel (you call them swamp catfish)?
Well.... the one is a scum-sucking, muck-raking, bottom-schlurping, fecal-feeder...
The other is a fish.

All Isms are fatally flawed. Except perhaps for Humanism, they consign our common humanity to the back of a long and concoluted queue.

I am inspred by all this to compose and share a piece of haiku from the bowels of Darkest Africa.

Obama bin Laden
Tali
Bannana
U.S. bombing
an' me wanna go 'ome.

P.S. Beckett... check my ear. Do you see the tongue?

( Posted by: SURLYGHILLIE [Member] On: February 20, 2009 )

uh....
OK, whatever...

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 20, 2009 )

Aliens Raped our Weed-whacker
Gamblerman. Where were you when we needed you?

("I prefer to talk to ALIENS who can compare different kinds of human and non-human evolution.

Since no Aliens are around.

You do a mind simulation.")

( Posted by: SURLYGHILLIE [Member] On: February 20, 2009 )

uh...

It's the Star Trek thing with an Arnold Toynbee twist....sure to drive flat-landers crazy.

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: February 20, 2009 )





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