How the Jews Invented Hollywood
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Neal Gabler's other book about early hollywood is nothing but paradox. It has scary echoes of Germany. Jewish immigrants from eastern Europe who settled in the lower east side were totally shut out of most American industries, but they LOVED America and wanted to assimilate completely.

They built a dream factory in the desert and became master meme makers. Jews high-jacked and colonized America's mind not unlike how earlier colonists took over the physical land. Until WW2 Jews dominated the desert dream factory. their only rival was Disney and he was dependent on them for distribution.

Then the big back-lash...the McCarthy witch-hunts devestated Hollywood. The Jews lost their total dominence, but today they still have a strong foothold. Rabbi would be appalled but even his kids were mesmerized by Hollywood cartoons.

At least the Hollywood Jews did not get gassed. In Germany Jews took over so many professions the backlash was worse and German Jews were proud to be Germans FIRST. Getting out of the ghetto was a top priority, but it invited annihilation... Jews went on to invent Las Vegas and also got clobbered as mafia wars broke out.

Paradox on top of paradox...

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Jews
Yes..and did you know Jews invented the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus just to rub a little more salt into Jesus' wounds...oh yeah and Osama bin Laden is a secret Jew...and jews invented wiffle ball just to make gentiles look ridiculous in their backyards...Oh yeah I forgot jews faked the Apollo Moon Landing and Jews make nutella out of babies...Uhhhhhhh what else????The Old Testament is a revisionist historical document to excuse murder and mayhem because "god told them to do it".....

P.S....Anyone with enuf hutzpah to say they are the chosen people of god and therefore can murder and steal at will isnt worth the matza ball they flew in on...

The End..please direct your hatemail to www.melgibson.com

( Posted by: kilgoretrout [Member] On: August 16, 2008 )

re: How the Jews Invented Hollywood
is nutella even Kosher?

( Posted by: rajengineer [Member] On: August 18, 2008 )

JEWS, HISTORY, & COMMENTS....
...I know what you are talking about Michael, I know you yourself are half Jewish, I too am of Jewish ancestry, and I think this piece is well written, and a quickie introspective collection of thoughts on those moments in real Jewish history....

but what I don't get is the comments that follow by either Terence (which to me are confusing and hinge on....no, I will not speak the word)....and then raj-engineer comment I do not get at all?

Though I do remember Raj-engineer had a pension years ago here on the Lit.Org for getting into debates and feeling that the Palestinians were complete VICTIMS of Jewish aggression, or maybe my memory fails me? So that is why I find it odd that he/she whomever - chose this piece to comment on since he/she rarely commented in years? But wouldn't a Satmar Jew know if nutella is kosher or not? hm-mm? Hee-hee

Hey, for all I know Raj-engeneer may be a Satmar Dynasty Chasid for they are known to be very sympathetic to the Palestinian causes, so there you go, a strange comment from another Jew, a possible Satmar Dynasty Chasid, eh?

In any case ....I thought these comments were very odd responses to what I think is a very neutral non political and historically correct piece of writing, and particularly good piece of writing too.

Anyway, just got back from Fort Devens, MA--from my son's cadet CAP graduation ceremonies. Had a huge fever last night, came here in for a few moments and I find all this, then I look around some more and I find a few other comments made by others that sort of put me off...ah, well, I better get some bed rest.

My friend, Lucie (we exchanged phone numbers at last after four years of friendship on the lit.Org) (Windchime from Lit.Org) will be talking on the phone tomorrow and I need to be healthy enough to deal with something as simple as a phone call...right now, Lit.Org has made me feel sicker than I was before I got here.

Wishing you good health, and now I need some rest after all these hours of long driving... I will put on Lama Tashi cd on my big headsets and get some peace. Peace.

Blessing to you, Michael. Keep writing, posting, and when I can I will keep reading. As RK Singh said to me recently, "I should take care of my health first, not worry about reading anything in the meanwhile" good advice I think.

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 18, 2008 )

Uh...
Lena:

You may have noticed that I didn't bother to even respond to those comments...

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: August 18, 2008 )

Where's Teflon
Hi

Haven’t got much of a clue about Jews, I have seen Fiddler on the Roof, Read the book Schindler's List. I think Barbara Streisand is one... I also lived next door to Belsen (Bergen Hohne) for three years....fortunately years after the sad events there...

I know of the Flower...Wandering Jew
If you don’t buy your round on a regular basis, people might call you a Jew.
And anyone with a big nose might be at risk.

I have forgotten most of what I read in the bible about them...

The general insinuation is that they are good of making money out of money...

Anyways that is me just being honest about how little I know..... There is more often than not no smoke without fire...and I would believe it's about as much as any other person not very knowledgeable on Jews would know....

What you wrote didn't surprise me... all too often people who have nothing just turn to self pity and begging...OK one needs a little ability lot's of hard work and the chance.....i.e. I am not berating Biafran’s.... that’s a whole catch 22

What also doesn't surprise me is the entire long term stigma one has to carry, some more than others…. The Irish normally being top in the joke department…. It’s not colour or race specific thank goodness…though some feel it as an insult far more than others.

Anyways I learned something from your essay I wasn’t aware of before….
I bet you know the film Popeye was made/filmed in Malta….. It took me a holiday there to learn that…

Eric

( Posted by: Fairplay [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

Eric, Bugsy Siegel, Hollywood, Las Vegas and ignorance....
Eric,

Quickie history in Jewish history in relation to Michael's piece here, and in relation to creation of Hollywood, Las Vegas, backlash reason for hatred of Jews, etc.---another of my quickie essays, there is much more to it, but in a shoebox this will give you some small idea.

Benjamin "Bugsy" Siegel & Meyer Lansky mobsters(both Jews and friends from childhood) did indeed create Las Vegas. It was Bugsy dream, he saw to it creation. He built one of the first casinos named the FLAMINGO (after his nickname for his girlfriend)...of course the Italian and Irish mobsters also got in on the action, but the concept the dream the realization came about via Bugsy with the help of Meyer Lansky's ties and power to other mobsters.

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As for Hollywood, all true, the Jews dominated and created the desert of southern California into Hollywood and became studio moguls, most were Jews in top positions in Hollywood and to this day Hollywood is still Jewish dominated behind the scenes in the positions of power, money and decision making where it counts. Many actors, comedians, producers, directors (Spielberg for example) are mostly Jewish. There are so many Jews that have changed their names that so few people in mainstream America haven't a clue to their Jewiness.

In fact, way back in Hollywood hay-days, many people where unaware that Lauren Bacall was a Jew, and in this day and age that people like David Duchovny is a Jew, and the list goes on and on....mean, how many people know that little Buffy the Vampire Slayer (what's her name?) is a Jew? Or that Orlando Blum, Matthew Broderick, Kirk Douglas, Peter Falk, Melissa Gilbert, Lorne Green, Goldie Hawn, Jake Gyllenhaal, Sharon Osbourn (Ozzie's wife)Natalie Portman, Emma Samms,Freddie Prinze Sr., Stanley Kubrick,Sean Penn, Oliver Stone, David Blain,Frida Kahlo, etc., etc., etc.,----here is a link to a list a few more famous Jews in various top professions, etc.,

http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Wikipedia_Famous_Jews.htm

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Noble Prize and Book of Who's Who:
And, in the fields of science, medicine, etc, once again the Jews hold a disproportionate amount of numbers as a majority in those fields, and as noble prize winners and book of Who's Who.

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Why the backlash and all the stereotype of Jews then?

Because in early Jewish history after the diaspora, Jews were forced into Europe and Slavic countries and everywhere they went there was prejudice against them, they were not allowed to own land or hold many types of trades, so they did what they could, they got into the fields of money lending (later becoming bankers such as the huge "Rothschild" Banking family of Europe--yes, they were Jews)...and yes, the Jews got into the business businesses, they had few choices open to them as livelihoods, so saved money, they went to colleges, became doctors, lawyers, etc., whatever they could do that was open to them.

Then what happens? The very social classes they had tried to keep them down where now not as well off as those "money making Jews"....so of course the jealousy, resentment, hatred and ignorance came into play, not to mention the fact that in many Christian oriented countries Jews were still considered "Christ Killers" thus you got the Spanish Inquisition, the Russian pogroms, and in Germany there was a mystical and religious aspect (not often mentioned aspect)in the Nazi attitude towards Jews and their Nazi superstitious beliefs that by killing the Jews they would somehow take over the Jewish power and mystical secrets of Kabbalah, etc., no shit, Speilberg wasn't too far off in his "Raiders of the Lost Ark", heehee....

What the Jews have had throughout most of history has been mainly lots of hatred and ignorance heaped upon more hatred and ignorance and then heaped upon more heaps of shit that to this day still exist in this world...especially in the middle east where Islamic EXTREMISTS exploit the ignorance of young impressionable young Muslim men and women to hate the Jews and call for their extermination out of pure lack of education in their own religion of true Islam in their brainwashed hatred of the Jews based on a couple of lines taken out of context from the Islamic Koran and exploited by the Islamic extremists to get these folks to go around blowing themselves up in the name of Allah, and allowing their own little children to believe that to die a martyr is the ultimate in what Allah wants for them...

(do you think I am pulling this out of my ass?)

In Palestine today, there is a children's show for pre-schoolers where a guy dressed in a bunny suit teaches the youngsters watching the show to hate Jews because they are evil and Satan like America is Satan, and they also teach the children that if the bunny does something wrong like steal or lie or anything else, then the bunny must have his hands cut off or his head,...no shit, don't believe me? Look it up on youtube.com----By the way, this is done by Ham-as, the EXTREMISTS. So, the good muslims, the REAL moderate muslims, the majority who speak out and who do not support the extremists and who have seen this show are appalled by it, check it out, here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJDNXztFmS0

Backlash, hatred, etc., no kidding! All ethnic groups suffered at one time or another in their own ways, so I am not denying no excluding nor comparing, all I have said here is in relation to what Jews have gone through, why stereotypes exist, why hatred exist, and mostly why so much ignorance still exists. By the way, that is why the world of stand up comedians, both male and female is dominated by Jews (whether they "look" like Jews or have "Jewish sounding" names or not) the majority of stand ups are Jewish or their best friends are anyway, heehee! And in the movies of course, let's not forget Ben Stiller, Adam Sandler, Jack Black, ALL JEWS! That's right. I just don't get it, we make them laugh, we give them entertainment, we give them science and noble prize winning scientists, writers, etc, and even occasionally a gold medalist like Mark Spitz (way back when) and they still want to annihilate us....hmmmm? Well, I'll have to continue meditating for world peace and hopefully more scientists, like Fred Allan Wolf (oh, another Jew?) will figure out how to get more people involved in the knowledge of quantum thought and the process of creating a better world through our very own consciousness...of course that is what Tibetan Buddhists have been doing for centuries, and look at them, unlike the Jews, they have not ancient history or bible filled with thousands of year old ago battles that anyone can throw at their face and say, "hey there, you deserve it because your ancestors 2 thousand years ago, 5 thousands years ago, etc., caused wars and killed....nope the poor Tibetans have done nothing wrong, yet they too get killed. This is a sick ignorant, jealous world we live in that tries to destroy the very best among them, and that is the true paradox, in my opinion anyway.

Blessings, Namaste, and Shalom!

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

Well...
Today Hollywood id dominated by massive conglomerates who own the studios. The studios maybe dominated by Jews, but the conglomerates much less so....

The jewish challenge: Stay in the ghetto and keep your identity and be persecuted or get out of the ghetto and get backlashed by playing the goy game better then them....

A no win situation for a talented race...a too talented one, but definitely not the chosen one.

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

Yep...definitely not the chosen, makes the goy go crazy when they hear that anyway...
So true, Michael. But you got to admit, Michael, that my little mini essay synopsis in response to Eric, was indeed pretty right on the money in as concise and condensed kosher soup can size manner as possible, eh?

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

Inventing Hollywood?
Question: If Terence had written something similar about another group, say Shiites, would it have warranted a response?

His comment was meant to be taken as tongue in cheek. If I am not mistaken, he is also Jewish.

( Posted by: desvelado [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

Terence is Jewish?
Who knew? Oi vey! Self-deprecating Jewish comedian strikes again, eh?

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

Raj-engineer a Satmar Chasid?
So, if Terence is Jewish, and yet I never had a clue, (for some reason I thought that Terence was Irish, why did I think that?) anyway... then I guess I must be completely wrong about Raj-engineer being a Satmar Chasid Jew? Hm-mm? And if Raj-engineer is not a Satmar Chasid Jew, then he definitely isn't self-deprecating Jewish comic either? So, getting back to a few years ago when Raj-engineer used to debate the plight of the victimized Palestinians by the brutality of the vicious Israeli Jews, he must have been serious....ah...no, I am wrong again, he is really a Jew, and just playing a part, like maybe Borat (a Jew who plays an anti-Semite)...he make joke...ha-ha! Maybe he is really a gypsy, eh?

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

Jewish schmewish - we're all Earthlings
Hi Michael. Sorry to use your thread for conversation box.

I remember reading somewhere Terence referring to himself as Jewish. I could always be wrong, of course.

The comment I left was actually meant for Michael because he responded to your comment about ignoring Terence and rajengineer. No idea who the latter is, but I do know Terence and know he meant no harm in his comment. His skewered worldview sometimes rubs people the wrong way.

If he were here right now, he'd probably respond with something fittingly profane. I'll ask him tomorrow when I see him.

( Posted by: desvelado [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

Eric, so, again, I write these fantastic essays on someone else's works and....
...I help to educate the world with my grand unlimited knowledge adding only to the genius already shown here in Michael's short, but excellently written piece of work, and AGAIN, no one appreciates my long winded, informative, smarty pants comments? Why is that? Tell me, Eric? Why is that? Am I not funny enough? Do I need to tap dance a little harder along with my writing or what?

PS. All I've got to say, is that what Michael wrote here is factual, non-political, and well written...a little knowledge goes a long way, and like Eric has confessed, he knows very little about Jews except for the stereotypes? I know he is not the only one...so I hope my short essay comment helped to add a little more insight to those with limited knowledge on the subject "Jews" and a few bits of Jewish history.

Blessings to all..and thank you again, Michael.

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

Francisco....
Well, when you talk to Terence tell him that I talked to Lucie on the phone for two hours today, we had a great talk, she is a great and wonderful person...and sorry to hear, unfortunately, she told me that Shannon will not be making it here to New York after all, so we all will not get to meet him here soon as was planned I think. But one day it's off to Ireland I go...take a stroll and find Shannon's house to say hey. And, when I go to California to meet my lama, I will get to meet you Francisco, and hopefully if Michael schedule allows for it, maybe even Michael too. What we need is Lit.Org convention. Once maybe every 4 years or so....see all the real people show up and say "hey"....yep.

Like Francisco, sorry for using your post as a conversation box...but you started it by posting this you know. I had wanted to comment on it for quite some time, but felt no compulsion until Terence and Raj-engineer confused me to death and I felt I had to get involved and figure it out...then Eric go in on it and I had to educate him on Jews, and so it goes....my work as a know-it-all is never done;-)

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

context
A little bit of knowledge or just throwing some edifying facts or speculations can be a dangerous thing. I too believe that Terence was just being flippant or using caustic humor with no conscious anti-semitic intention. But one needs to walk a fine line when one delves into thorny issues. Thank goodness for Lena's extensive knowledge of Jewish history to set the record straight and give many of us a better grasp that words and how they are said can take on a whole different meaning than what was the writers intention. I also believe that Terrance should have qualified his humor rather than leaving it as fodder for the real hate mongers of the world. I don't believe Lena overreacted(although she does know how to accent her points in dramatic fashion) She set the record straight by challenging in what context were these comments made and gave us a damn good essay in the bargain.

my warmest
bob

( Posted by: rcallaci [Moderator] On: August 19, 2008 )

Hollywood In(ter)vention
I think Muhummed's images (the Court's, or others) might resemble Jesus", if only Islam permitted such visions.As Jesus divided loaves and fishes, Muslims might divide limbs and quarters. How can you persecute Jews for having the insight to persue "the business of business" vs. the Dutch and Enlish, among others.

I choose the Chosen.

( Posted by: drsoos [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

Just Back
Hi All

I think some connection to lit was playing up from the Canadian side...maybe all the storms in "other places"..my Internet was down for an hour too and of course the time differences.

Thanks Lena for bringing me up to date on Jews... Like Bob said too little knowledge can be dangerous...it sort of blows my theory out of the window that if you have a big nose you are a Jew....cause of course there is plastic surgery... Hey Lena I did appreciated your longer information and only for the above would have said so earlier...

I make no apology for using the thread to gain greater in depth knowledge of both the Jews and the members here on Lit.... I rather like topics that cause debate....

Of course it would be wrong for me to comment on the structure of your essay (if I were only qualified) Michael so it had to be on the content and comment.

After x amount of years here I know that some of you if not exactly understanding me, allow me room to manoeuvre with my comments. It would be a sad world if everyone was identical, like in the very first poem I wrote on Lit here all those years back "Dolly the Sheep"

Eric

( Posted by: Fairplay [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

Let's see...

Lena

The closest the jews ever came to running the planet was in the 1800's and early 1900's. The Rothchilds via hook and crook took over western banking and financed the industrial revolution in Europe and America.

Rockefeller and Morgan were stooge/fronts for the Rothchilds. This ended after the world wars. teh Rothchilds got blasted.

Now the Jews are stooge/fronts for the WASPs who run the USA...Kissinger. Greenspan...etc.

Pretty ironic.

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

and...

80 % of the Russian Communist party was Jewish with Trotsky leading the way. Even Lenin had a little Jewish blood. But Stalin who definitely was not Jewish killed all the Jews off including many who actually helped design the gulag camps.

So for the rest of Soviet history non-Jews ran the show....

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

Ruling the world? The 3 Stooges were Jewish!
Michael,
I thought that Kissinger and Greespan are both Jewish, at least they were born to Jewish parents, when did they convert to waspism? Oh, they are Stooges?... but not like the funny 3 stooges who were also Jewish...yeah, I get it....these Jews are political stooges, yes, with that I agree, and these new stooges now make perfect patsys for the hatred of the other hate mongers who look for Jewish conspiracies around every corner and in politics, etc., like maybe....uh, neo-nazi idiots, and others of that kind of mind set, from what I know there's a few of those around still...

Gee, I didn't realize we were talking about the Jews "ruling the world" period in time, (I never knew that the Jews EVER ruled the world) I thought we were talking about Hollywood and how certain professions came to be among the Jews....?

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

Eric and Emma the normal nose Jewess
Eric, yes, your theory is blown out of the water about the Jewish noses, true there are some big ones among the Jews and many an American Jewish princess has had a nose job, but many have not because they were not born with big noses....and I do believe that even one of your own actresses, a Jewess named Emma Sams NEVER had a nose job, born with a cute little button nose, like many other Jews are also blessed with...the nose thing isn't always true, in fact, most of the time not true. I have never had nor needed a nose job...in fact, I do believe there was an actual study done once on the people with the largest population of big nosers per capita kind of thing...and as I recall it was the Turkish people and the country of Turkey (makes sense huh? Turkish people from Turkey?).....

Blessings to you and yours, Eric;-)

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

uh...
In for a penny in for a pound....as they say.

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

RCallaci---Thanks;-)
I appreciate your comment and helping to clarify my not always so clear clarification.

Blessings to you and yours,
Lena

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 19, 2008 )

Whats all the Fuss?
Oh boy I guess I should say sorry if I offended anyone...but I wont because I didnt think any open minded "free" spirited people would get offended...I was wrong...

We are more than our DNA...Being Jewish or Irish or Catholic or whatever is simple fodder for the EGO and in fact means less than zero...

"I love you...you love me...were a happy family"
--Barney the Dinosaur--

( Posted by: kilgoretrout [Member] On: August 21, 2008 )

Terence not a Jew....
Well, finally, Francisco told me about your mix up in San Francisco verses L.A.--he also told me you were NOT Jewish...thus..that is the fuss. As RCallaci said "you walk a fine line on thorny subjects"...people here in the past have been burned at the state for daring to say anything even close to what you said above, not about the Jews but about the Muslims. I love you too, Barney, we are more than are DNA, we are all beyond just the ego which is illusion, but then this matter of what you say when you are not from the same clan (unless your up on the stand-up stage) can get touchy....and I was trying to clarify intent. It wasn't just about me and my Jewish ancestry, it was about a bigger picture and other BS that has gone on here in the past that had to be addressed. Your comment attracted a notorious account user-name from the past who loved to dig into the Jews and blamed them for all the wrongs in the middles east and the plight of the poor innocent Palestinians. It started quite a "thing"...sometimes it's best to not even go there, and if you are joking, then like RCallaci said, please qualify it. Otherwise the context and intent will be questioned...same as if you had done a spiel on "Negros" and their history of watermelon and chicken lovin' and long history of selling their own people to the slave traders back in good old Africa---ya know? I know you know.

Also, everything Michael said here in his essay is true. It was a simple no political, factual essay (read my expansion essay on what he wrote, it's above, it's long, but I felt it needed to be said).....

So, blessing to you and yours, and good-luck in your travels and path-seeking. It's all good. I hope we can leave it at that,

Namaste,
your friend,
Lena
aka your Karma

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 21, 2008 )

uh...
This Terence guy is pretty sloppy....

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: August 21, 2008 )

sloppy?
You know, Michael, with comments like that, this thread could easily become the slop you speak of.

I have the utmost respect for you and your writing and thought namecalling beneath you.

Terence was expressing his views and never resorted to insult. He may take the long and winding road at times, but he at least makes the effort. How many times have you bothered to comment on anyone's posts?

You voiced your opinion in submitting this post. The world would be a boring place if we all just nodded compliance.

Terence may not be perfect but he just might be the most enlightened of us all.

Lena suggested this topic should just be dropped. Good advice.

( Posted by: desvelado [Member] On: August 21, 2008 )

Uh, yep....on NOT a Jew and such....
As you know, "things are not always what they seem", in this case I am taking this with the attitude that even the Dalai Lama would endorse; finding humor/laughter in human folly, shortcomings, and ignorance.

Blessings to you dear friend,

Namaste,
your friend,
Lena aka
your Karma

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 21, 2008 )

Yup....
Like a sloppy Joe...dripping all over the place...

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: August 21, 2008 )

Sloppy Joe Slop Sloppy Joe
A Muslim a Duck and a Jew walk into a bar and the duck says "Boy am I thirsty" --The End---

Sorry if this offends any of my fine feathered friends...

Buuurrrrrpppppp.......

( Posted by: kilgoretrout [Member] On: August 22, 2008 )

Grow up y'all!
I guess the cost of free speach is what...ASS KISSING?!

Terrence has the right to speak what he wants just as the rest of us do!

I told myself I wasn't even gonna get involved with any of the BS preschool crap that goes on here but Christ!

Seems some of you here have GOT to be right...no two ways about it and if that's the case you got problems.

I would have thought by now we would have grown up pass the days of name calling...

but like I said...PRESCHOOL!

This is just my opinion.

FREE SPEECH ROCKS!!!

( Posted by: TAMMYHENDRIX [Member] On: August 22, 2008 )

Tammy dear....
I suggest you read what RCallaci the moderator wrote regarding qualifying what one says when speaking on touchy subjects....free speech doesn't mean you can use racial or culture hate speech...READ before giving your opinion, because it seems to me you haven't read this entire thing and if you did you might have a clearer understanding of what took place here and why. Even preschoolers who can read, read first before blowing off on their opinion. I love both Terence and Michael, and Francisco, they are all my friends. What went on here has nothing to do with you or free speech!

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 22, 2008 )

Uh...
Thanks Lena:

But I've seen this stuff before on OTL and My Space. People just start projecting their stuff. This has nothing to do with the post.

The subtext: anger, confusion, low-self-esteem.

This is not new.

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: August 22, 2008 )

Uhhh Lena dear?
First off I READ all of it including Micheal's post here.

Your right it has nothing to do with me. And yes I get a little bent when someone is put through the ringer like what's been done here. But hey, Terence is a grown man, he care of himself. The ONLY!!! reason I ended up here was TO READ THIS POST!!! But when I saw the BS going on...? Screw that...why, just so y'all can rip apart MY OPINION? Bash my right to an opinion. This has EVERYTHING to do with free speech. And I find it funny how you NEVER bother conversing with me at all; you never comment...nothing but you sure can find the time to snap back at me here. Yea I know you made a show-up to say nice on my catapiller post. What were you just playing nice after the words we had then...that's the way it looked to me.

"People just start projecting their stuff. This has nothing to do with the post.

The subtext: anger, confusion, low-self-esteem."

I was not projecting my feelings in the way you indicated. But I was expressing my view of this whole bunch of crap. But even if I were...so I what if I did have anger, confusion, low-self-esteem issues, does that I'm wrong in having an opinon?

Micheal I do apologize for invading your piece here. But like I said once I read all this mess going on...no way am I gonna comment on the piece. I was letting out how ridiculously out of control I felt this whole thing became.

My apologizes sir.

( Posted by: TAMMYHENDRIX [Member] On: August 22, 2008 )

uh...
Apology accepted.

Don't come back...please.

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: August 22, 2008 )

Hey Bob
Hey, Bob, this is ridiculous. Aren't there guidelines in regards to posting and commenting.

I am beginning to understand why people left this site.

I consider Lena a friend but this is getting silly. We're getting to the point where people aren't being allowed to comment. Attacking Tammy will solve nothing. She has a right to her opinion and not you, Lena, or Michael can do anything about it.

As far as Michael goes, I used to have a lot of respect for him but these last few days have changed that.

He should take his own advice.

( Posted by: desvelado [Member] On: August 22, 2008 )

Francisco re: Michael & Tammy & Free Speech?
No one stopped Tammy from having her opinion. Seems we communication here. I thought you were brighter than this, Francisco, but now I see when it comes to Tammy your a bit blind sided and bias...she spoke her peace, we all did...there was nothing done wrong here.

Go in peace, Francisco. I respect Michael. I respect him a lot. He doesn't let his other head rule his brain when it comes to women...and he knows what he's talking about. He did nothing wrong, no one did anything wrong to Tammy or to anyone here. This is what free speech is all about and if someone asks someone else to leave their post that is their prerogative. None of you business. You are free to do the same and so is Tammy.

Namaste,
Lena

( Posted by: TheRealkarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 22, 2008 )

seems we have a problem to communicate with some folk?
.....by the way, Michael, I am sickened tonight by the current events...same old same old. I am out of here for a spell. Some people are slow learners, I know you are not one of them, you have seen this before too, yeah, I have seen it once too often. Tired.

Wishing you good health, I am working on mine, my surgeon appt. is on Sept. 5, FINALLY! Now, it will be over soon. The medicine Buddha group has helped a lot. Thanks for that again. You are on my alter with Guru Rinpoche. Be well, take care and I will talk to you later.

Blessings!

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 22, 2008 )

My other head
(This started as a PM but, like you say, we have no secrets here)

Lena, I have lit open in one window and am following what is going on here.

In regards to Tammy, I don't know her anymore than I know you. What I read in your response to her was that she should mind her own business and was no smarter than a pre-schooler.

That might not be how you worded it, but that's how it reads.

I am not mad at you but I will tell you I can think for myself. I don't like people like Michael calling people he doesn't know sloppy. I would have thought you liked Terence enough to be offended by that. Terence is who he says he is. Who knows who Michael really is.

He has no right to tell Tammy to not return or to insult people because he doesn't like what they have to say. Just because you like him does not make his behavior right.

None of this changes my friendship with you. People can be friends without agreeing on everything.

And please no more visuals about Michael's other head.

( Posted by: desvelado [Member] On: August 22, 2008 )

Francisco...you are WRONG!
What we got here is a GRAND failure to communicate and you are wrong, my friend, dead wrong, no one called Tammy stupid, no one stopped her from speaking, she spoke her peace. But it was obvious she didn't have a complete understanding of the situation and obviously neither do you. What Terence said was not cool, I don't believe he meant it viciously either, but it could easily be taken that way, RCallaci was right he should have qualified it as humor and not left in the air for interpretation...as for Tammy, again, where does she get off saying we are preschoolers, this is a serious subject here, it was immature of her to trivialize the subject matter and the speakers involved. Every single one of you got off track here and did not speak about the real content. You projected all kinds of your own shit into it. Michael is right about that. And about visuals, don't go there, Michael uses his brain, he has a very bright one, I respect him, I understand Terence and his off the wall personality and hold nothing against him, but now YOU I have no glue about you or what I used to think you were about....nuff said.

Keep writing, keep the Lit.Org going. It needs good writers, like Michael Finberg, like you, like many others, but it doesn't need bullshit and tonight has been communication bullshit up the yin yang and yes it has been ridiculous!

Enjoy Viper9 and drSoos and all their multiples, lovely bunch they are, they'll convince you of my "insanity"....its a great method to censor someone and have them discredited, it worked for them before, just like the Republicans, they like repeating what works,old marketing method, always works, but you got to be the one to call the other crazy first in order to win, so I guess they win again, ah well, no loss to me, they're both jerks and liars, what they think of me means nothing to me... those two know how to go about suckering in "friends" and you are being suckered right into it. Yeah, you have no real clue. No clue at all.

Enjoy!

Talk to you in four year from now if Lit.Org still exists and tell me what you think about them and few others then...

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 22, 2008 )

Uh....
Lena

What we need here is a delete or block function like one has at My Space or OTL.

Thanks Lena.

I know your aim is true.

Our karma is good.

M

( Posted by: gamblerman [Member] On: August 22, 2008 )

moderation-not yet
To all

Yes there are guidelines to commenting and posting. No outright flaming and destructive behavior.

I believe in an open forum-even if it gets a little ugly-which this thread has seen its share of- everyone has a right to express their opinion or viewpoint even if a heated exchange ensues- we're all adults and adults can at times act like children- that is life-

I do monitor these threads and when I feel its about to blow or getting way to destructive I will take action- but I give a long long rope- I'm not a babysitter- for these things usually work out without interference from the likes of me. The main things I don't tolerate is obscene material and down and dirty trolling- I'm a nut on free expression- free speech is a overused and misunderstood concept- there are lines that I will shut down- this thread has not yet crossed that line.

my warmest
bob

( Posted by: rcallaci [Moderator] On: August 23, 2008 )

This is stupid
Michael, you can end this by deleting your wonderfully written, well thought out essay.

Prove you are better than us by throwing in the towel and balancing out your karma. I'm sure that fat little man you address your offerings to will smile approvingly.

True Buddhism is about inner peace and finding it in others. All I am getting from this silliness is people looking in the right direction with eyes closed because they can't let go of everything that seeingly completes them.

Lena, I take nothing back because I never once attacked anyone. I never resorted to referring to Michael as "pretty sloppy."

As for people brainwashing me, isn't that similar to what all this back and forth bantering is accomplishing? I have a brain, and it's a pretty well-read one; I can think for myself.

( Posted by: desvelado [Member] On: August 23, 2008 )

Stupid?
I take nothing back either Francisco, and the fat little man you refer to (Buddha) is laughing right now, while the karmic wheels of justice just keep on turning turning into the future...

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Member] On: August 23, 2008 )

delete button
There will be no delete buttons or blocking function's on this site. Everyone has a right to comment on a thread even if the OP is not thrilled with the commenter.

Lets not take things to much to heart- lets take a deep breath- and move on -

my warmest
bob

( Posted by: rcallaci [Moderator] On: August 23, 2008 )

UH....
Hey I get it!!!!!! People who agree with us smart...People who disagree with us stupid... Thats deep man...you should totally tell one of your "producer friends" to write a treatment on that...

A producer/director/writer/buddha walks into a bar...it was a salad bar though because well his most interesting days were long behind him...So the the producer/director/writer/buddha says to the salad bartender..."Excuse me sir how much for a pound of carrots?"...and the bartender says..."Get the fuck outta my salad bar you condescending prick!!!"

The End

( Posted by: kilgoretrout [Member] On: August 23, 2008 )

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