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A.A.- Aggravating Alcoholics

Self-centered, morally delusional, groups believe court ordered innocents want to hear about how buying a NASCAR t-shirt from Wal-Mart relieves their pickled brain of the burden of wanting to drink. Nobody listens, they just bite their chapped bottom lip, anticapating their chance to reveal their horribly melodramatic story. They're all self-appointed moral dictaters. Go ahead and try to talk political they respond politikill. Their freedom of speech is oppressing my freedom to not listen to phrases like, "I guess I'm just sick and tired of being sick and tire." Yeah, well sister, thanks to you I'm really getting a grasp on what this sick and tired shit is all about. It never ceases to amaze me, when there's two minutes left in the meeting, while I watch the minute hand of the rusted clock move like a fossill of a sleeping snail; a voice will interupt the closing silence, "I'm John Doe, and I'm an alcoholic." I wish I could just say,"you got two minutes Johnny Boy ," without getting thrown out with out my paper being signed. "Fuck!" That reminds me, I gotta find that lousy piece of paper.

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The following comments are for "Alchoholics Anonymous"

ehhh call it nameless
well if you want to stop an addiction you already have, you need to substitute that previous addiction with another(typically) and this experience was, no doubt, a first hand experience. obviously, you didnt want to be in that situation to begin with, but by court order, you were forced to attend this aa meeting. this man was explaining how he copes with his problem. instead of buying a six pack from Quickmart and drinks, he buys a nascar shirt from walmart an goes to the meeting, gloating over his material gain, instead of handing his problem to god as he is instructed in all of their books.substitution is bad in aa, im suprized no one called him on his flaw at the meeting. it shows how big the moon can be when you like the taste of elderberries and candycorn.

( Posted by: infectednavel [Member] On: July 10, 2005 )

cliché therapy

It's a bloody cult in my opinion, however you can make-up your own mind. It is not rational. They are a bunch of idiots mentally masturbating with "slogans' and "clichés"--"keep coming back", give me a break.

I don't mean to ramble, but you just reminded and painted an ugly picture.

Well done,


( Posted by: macbeth [Member] On: July 13, 2005 )

Alcoholics Anonymous
My personal experience with AA is that I thought it was a fate worse than death: a holding tank (located at the bottom-most rung of the social pecking order, no less) for lost souls who were sufficiently cursed to be unable to drink & drug any longer and yet, not quite physically deceased. I was not sent to AA by the courts, but rather by every source of counsel I approached for trying to "get my life to work again." I was dismayed that everywhere I turned, the advice was the same (from a career counselor, a therapist, a gypsy, tarot-card reader, an acupuncturist, etc.). They all said the same thing to me, "Have you considered trying AA? They are the experts at quitting drinking." Not that I had ever mentioned drinking to ANY of them . . . and certainly didn't see the one source of any pleasure/relief in my life as a "problem."
A good argument can be made that it is an exercise in utter futility for the courts to ever send anyone to an AA meeting since AA offers a process that can only help those who want sobriety, not necessarily those who need it. I did not want sobriety, however, and nevertheless, found myself abstaining from drinking after enduring a dozen or so of those stupid meetings. Just from sitting in the back and putting my feet up and listening to a bunch of stories that I didn't personally relate to at all. My eventual abstinence from alcohol seemed to be a function of something other than my conscious, rational mind.
Anyway - my introduction to AA is ancient history for me now - that was almost 20 years ago. I guess I just wanted to post a comment here as one person who can confirm that I, too, have seen all of the aspects of AA meetings and the people who attend them that have been mentioned here to date. And yet, I also saw some lives, including my own, changed radically for the better.
In the meantime, I would suggest that if you are attending AA meetings soley for the sake of collecting "anonymous signatures" from "anonymous members," [hint, hint . . . ] perhaps your brain is sufficiently muddled to warrant some concern on your part.
One thing that sometimes helped me to put things into perspective about the people I met in AA was remembering that I don't really connect with the vast majority (over 95%) of the people I meet anywhere. My ratio at AA was really not much lower than anywhere else in the world; that's just the way I am. Another thing that I was relieved to discover about AA is that there IS room for a wide variety of belief systems - not neccessarily at most meetings, but at some of them. And yes, there are AA meetings specifically for Agnostics, Atheists, and others who object to the standard Christian verbiage (as I did).
So - just in case anyone out there may be researching the question of whether AA (or sobriety) truly is a fate worse than death, I wanted to attest that it has not turned out that way for me (and some of my best friends).

( Posted by: PhoenixRising [Member] On: August 8, 2005 )
um...alrighty then. Sounds like a short time in hell. Well, I feel your pain, I'm going thru a certain math class for a second time this comming school year. It was hell the first time!

( Posted by: SingChi [Member] On: July 12, 2006 )

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