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I have loved my days at lit. They have been some of the most memorable of my life for reasons apparent and not so apparent.

Lit is the finest site on the internet to share writing, get feedback and also props which are so important to new writers.

Trust Crowe, and trust his staff. They are here for you and for your improvement and Crowe gives a voice to everyone who wants to write.

I will miss you all, but there comes a time when we all must move on to other things.

Jessica is a superb editor and administrator. Bart is a supreme talent and also has lit's best interest at heart.

Spud, often the voice who dissents is so talented and so very honest that even a comment from him is a treasure.

Beckett is going to be the next "big thang" so read his work and cherish what he posts, for then you will be able to say say "I knew him when"

I love you all.

Claire


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by Clairesbest

I can't believe you are going
after reading your Dec 31 post.....I just can't believe you are another one of the finer writers leaving Lit.

This place may be a good place Claire, but with you along with some other good writers....it won't ever be the same....you were one of the reasons I came back..and that I tried to stay on as well.

I know you have your reasons......trust your instincts....

love is not leaving, those who are your true friends know

My best to you, and I am saddened .......

Love and hugs,
Darlene

( Posted by: Dareva [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

Claire...
If you are not on staff, I see little point in staying. Your absence has already created a void filled with unhealthy actions. I would have loved a reason Claire - maybe not my right, but I can't see you have anything to lose by sharing something more than instinct and timing. To say this saddens me would be an understatement. Losing you is losing the voice of fairness and equality - you are the only person in politics I ever liked!! Please reconsider? At least let us know where we can read your luscious lyrics and beautiful poetry. Namaste

( Posted by: tinalouise [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

I can't believe it either
Claire, I too am saddened. You are truly loved here. We will all miss you!

Nae

( Posted by: nae411 [Moderator] On: January 20, 2005 )

what now...
I note the Brad too is leaving. After the recent departure of GibsonGirl, Odysseus and now Brad and you - that makes just too many for your comment to state that this site works well with the present crew. I am trying to be patient, but if many more great voices go, then I will pull and part too. This is too sad and my muse is dying in the corner due to lack of inspiration and sadness already. Namaste

( Posted by: tinalouise [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

Sad
Claire:

I wish you all the best in your endeavors. When I heard you were leaving I wanted to be sure to say a fond farewell. Please feel free, ANYONE, to email me if you want to exchange work and bounce. lansdickinson@mmode.com

All the best,

Lans
(gigi)

( Posted by: GibsonGirl [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

Claire leaving
Best wishes Claire. Lit will not be the same without you. Your feedback on pieces here will be missed. Thank you for all your kind words and support
Jim

( Posted by: snapshot [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

Great sorrow.
I read this with deep sorrow, and a yearning for the days when you were a newcomer to the site: Your enthusiasm then was infectious, and has remained one of the highlights of Lit ever since.

I hope you will find your way back here at some point. More than that, I hope you'll carry on reading here, even if you no longer want to post anything. And if you feel the need to post, but not here, the door is always open at Writingforums - I'll make a point of welcoming you myself if I see you there :-)

( Posted by: Spudley [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

Claire's departure
Knowing you has been a rare privilege. I feel very lucky to have met you, and to have benefitted, these months, from your many thoughtful and personalized comments: not just to me on my work, but to everyone, because I usually opened everything you commented on.
If it hadn't been for you and your exposed! series, we members would still be anonymous words on a screen...
We owe you much too much for repayment.
At least I do.
Thank you for being you.
Lucie

( Posted by: windchime [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

Oh nuts...
I echo everyone else, you shall be sorely missed by so many people Claire.

With love

Alex xxx

( Posted by: londongrey [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

Claire - What...Good-by?
Dear Claire,

I realized what kept me staying were the anticipation, that I will be Exposed! (for once let me be truthful, I am a moth who loves the color of fire) by you... in a Round Table, even if it'll be in year 2010! When London left the first time I thought it won't happen anymore. But when he came back my hopes returned and I was eager to wait (again, even if it's going to happen in 2010), fired up to write good poems and doing my best to be helpful reviewing other's posts. Then I waited for Teflon's Exposed! because I saw the news at the Majestic. That one I know I wouldn't wait for until after a month. I was already on the verge of emailing you to ask about it. And then this news. I want to point out that you are important here in lit.org, Claire. Not that for me to be popular (because of the prestige of your interview that will expose me), our popularity is not important. I realize now Claire, that there will be no more threads as good as what we've done with you as the leader. I will exchange this for my selfish thought of wanting to be recognized.

If you should return someday and continue exposing Tef, I'll return and start reading and commenting. It shouldn't be too long, Claire. The first time that I wanted to leave lit because I got hurt by the nasty comments on my collab with Pen (which I regretted I haven't voiced out when now I feel it's too late) it took me only a week to decide I should return and live up the words I said in my Newbies tips. To be thick-skinned!

Claire, I love your last lyric-poem: The Scotch. It deserves the 10 tens. I wanted to add my 11th ten, I soon will.

If you find the urge to read some Tagalog poetry of mine, I posted an announcement here as to where everyone can find me. I am currently helping a friend advance a Filipino poetry group in the Philippines.

By the ways, I am not done yet, Pen and I still have to post the last chapter of PenPals. Plus I will have to email some friends here in lit because they may be wondering why I am not attending our msn-meetings.

Love you always,
Peter Paulino

( Posted by: peterpaulino [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

Your energy
Claire,
I must say that since I have been here, your comments, and energy have had nothing but people's feelings and best interests at heart.You are truly a gifted person, both in kind nature and in writing. I wish you the best in everything you do, and hope that we will meet again somewhere in the writing world. Thank you for all your kind and positive support when I was a newcomer. Hope you find what you need in moving on. Good luck to you.
Always,
Katherine

( Posted by: everybodyelsesgirl [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

Claire's "Instincts"...
Claire, In my limited time here, I was impressed with both your writing and demeanor.."The Scotch" can't "kill" the sadness your friends feel, as above comments attest..Hope to read more from you soon. Best wishes.


Robert William

( Posted by: Bobby7L [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

No!
Oh man, Claire. I hated your politics and often disagreed with you, but you were fair to me, fun to debate with, and a pleasure to read. I'll miss you terribly.

This site is nothing without its loacl personalities, its characters, the writers who make us want to keep returning. Look at me -- I don't post my work very often, sometimes not for months, but I always come here to read what certain people have to offer and sometimes find someone new.

But so many of those people I come here to read are leaving. I'm not pissed off or blaming anyone, it just makes me sad.

( Posted by: Viper9 [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

Sky's Claire blue...


...and I'm gonna rain.

I'll miss my cowgirl angel.

No one can fill your boots.


s

( Posted by: drsoos [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

chow?
you'll be back.

but, if not

then bye-bye.
ciao mamasita.

( Posted by: die_daily [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

Always the diplomat
Wishing you peace and contentment Claire. I trust my instincts all the time and the proof keeps on being reaped. The Lit harvest will become more meagre with your parting. I, unlike you, will stick around but, as always, will be more active next door in the writing forums. Thanks for being you and bringing such a variety of splendid diversions at Lit.

( Posted by: Penelope [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

Bye, Claire
I don't know nothin' 'bout nothin' but the writing, the reading and the comments on same. You did those things well. I'll miss you. I had to go away for awhile to get some stuff sorted out. Didn't know if I'd come back. But I did. Nobody gave me any crap. We won't give you any if you come back; just a nice "Hey! Welcome back!" That's what I got.

Good luck, at whatever you've got going on.

( Posted by: andyhavens [Member] On: January 20, 2005 )

Go with God Claire!
I'm devastated that you have to leave Claire...but I know you must. We should ALL always trust our instincts and do what is best for us in the end. Knowing you though, I know you will be lurking around here at Lit reading and from time to time (when you can't contain yourself) commenting on what touches you!

We all love you Claire...you're a tough act to follow!

Love, Gram

( Posted by: Beatrice Boyle [Member] On: January 21, 2005 )

Stay
Clare let me add my little voice to the rest and say stay PLEASE.

( Posted by: chapter1 [Member] On: January 21, 2005 )

You'll Be Missed
Claire ~

I've been working solid rounds of 12 hour days, lately, and haven't had much time to do anything aside from peruse the occasional entry at Lit, make a few notes on what I'd like to say if I had the time and wish there were more of that. When I stopped in to read your announcement, this morning, though, I felt moved to comment.

I'll always remember you fondly for the generosity of your remarks on my earliest pieces and the graceful generosity of your presence you've brought to the site. As with everyone else, I'll miss reading your Exposed interviews, your thoughtful comments and your poetry. You'll be leaving a gap in your wake which will go unfilled for a very long time. I sincerely wish you the best in your future endeavors -- just remember there will always be a small world on the web which is eager for your return.

~ Jen.

( Posted by: hazelfaern [Member] On: January 21, 2005 )

Claire,
Such sad sorrow at your departing.
I wish you health, grace, and success.

charlie

( Posted by: williamhill [Member] On: January 22, 2005 )

not being mushy or anything
but here goes:

in my most silent hour,
i trace my steps and find,
you were always sitting
in Memory

By my pen I see
words that tell me
you never really left me
at all.

Claire, I wished I knew you more than this.
Perhaps in some alternate world i'l get my chance. Bon chance!

( Posted by: webguy [Member] On: January 22, 2005 )

Claire & Community
As a community, we at Lit are a sum of our minds. Each one of us adds to what makes Lit a wonderful place to read, write, learn and communicate. I don't get to come here as often as I'd like (currently struggling on numerous writing projects) and learning of your departure was a shock to me.

Our community is diminished without your participation. We are losing one of our brightest lights. I will miss your strength, talent and fairness. But as sad as I am; I am convinced that whatever you do now will benefit from your involvement. I wish you well. -Philip

( Posted by: Philo [Member] On: January 22, 2005 )

Oh woe is me.......
....The one and only Claire, you welcomed me so warmly back in June when I found this websight. And now you are departing. It is such a sad day indeed when you who has done so much, on your own accord, to make this the best web sight for writers, with your exposed column (that every writer loves to share themselves and the community likes to read) your honesty, wit, intelligence, and last but not in the least of all of your talents.
Trust your instincts you say. Well that is indeed a good lesson to keep in mind. Yet it does not stop me from wishing i could find you and tie you down so you will not go. However I know you well enough that you have your reasons I am sure, and as a fellow writer, and acquaintance, and sister of literary expressionism I will respect those wishes. However I will still miss you so very much, please let me know where you might settle so that i can continue to read your works.
And as you can see from the growing list of comments that I am not the only one that feels that very same way.
And one final note regarding trusting one's instincts. Slowly there seems to be an exodus of talent leaving this sight and my intuition is tickling the back of my neck and asking why?? And I find it curious and sad that of the staff that you so graciously mentioned in your announcement have not come forward as well to wish you good-bye and good luck??? Why is that, I wonder??? This writer too is having serious contemplation as to whether to stay or go myself.
Bon chance mi Claire.....this soul will surely miss you, as I would come in every day looking for anything new from you.
Angels and hugs and remember to keep in touch girl!!!!

( Posted by: CJHerlihy [Member] On: January 23, 2005 )

my sister Claire...
I'm lucky! I still get to talk to you everyday but this place will soooo different without you. I agree with Pen, you are "ever the diplomat". I love you and I know you've got other plans but maybe you could let some of your friends know where you will pop up next! Your intelligence and seamless talent will be missed.
Amy
P.S. Spudley...you are a classy and nice man!!!

( Posted by: arc [Member] On: January 23, 2005 )

Two cents...
Claire,
I return to check up on the goings on of the site, and I find this message...I MUST be out of the loop.

Whatever happens, take care, and...well, everything I would say here has already been taken care of by others, so I'll spare you the endless reiterations. You will be missed, obviously, by many more important than me, but my meek thanks for your effect on my life, and the effect you've had on this entire community of human beings.

Drop me a line sometime. You know where to find me :)

William A. Corder

( Posted by: the Co.konspirator [Member] On: January 23, 2005 )

A goodbye note
Well, Hell.

Enjoy yourself. You are definitely one of the people I will remember. Good luck in all you chooose to do.

Your itinerant reader,
-Kitten

( Posted by: Kitten Courna [Member] On: January 23, 2005 )

Claire
Claire,

I have been off site for a while and can find nothing relevant to your leaving?

Thank you for the support you have given to me and everyone at Lit. You have my email address if you wish to contact me.

Although I know there have been a few disagreements at Lit it as always remained a site I have enjoyed, I hope you still look in to see what is going on.

Your reasons are obviously personal and I will not query them, but in line with all the members who have commented before me.....we will welcome you back with open arms when the time comes.

May I thank you once again for for your help and wish you the best for the future.

Ivor

( Posted by: ivordavies [Member] On: January 26, 2005 )

My Lady Claire
claire

I know this is late, I've been kind of out of touch and was wondering where you were. You were one of the great joys of this site and your departure is a great loss. It was a honor and a delight to have known you and a pleasure to have read your work. Your a great talent, beautiful and brilliant to boot. I can only hope that we will meet again.

My love and my fondest and warmest regards,
bob

( Posted by: rcallaci [Moderator] On: March 2, 2005 )

No, you just cannot.....
claire,
It's just a sort of crime. What did you mean by your bidding good bye like this?
I thought it to be one of your prank filled with stunning fun with us. But such a prolonged absence is really not healthy for lit at all.
I have not read the comments put by the others as yet. But your flash fiction like this must end without delay; come back, claire!
Regards,
Myth.

( Posted by: Myth [Member] On: June 27, 2005 )

Claire, I know it's not your doing alone,
but I've noticed others have walked in your footsteps away, just as they stayed here when you were with us.

Missing many of them....maybe one day it will be a little closer to the same atmosphere it used to be.......although I have my doubts.

Hope you are well and we do miss you.

Dar

( Posted by: Dareva [Member] On: June 27, 2005 )

Sad News About Claire
I'm sorry to bring you this news, but your friend Claire died last weekend after a long illness. I hope this is not too shocking a way to find out, but I knew she had friends here and thought you should know.

This is something she wrote that a good friend of hers posted on another forum where she had many friends.

The Last Gift

Don't mourn for me, or grieve or cry
Or rail at gods and ask them why.
Dreams used up, joy at an end
Makes death, not life, a man's best friend.

To covet death with tasks undone
Is to seek a prize one hasn't won.
But to sail gently into that goodnight
when life is gone, is just and right.

And "what is life?" the critics say
Who seek labored breath another day.
Did the gods intend mechanical hum
To replace the song that built a home?

Our charge to use our talents well
Was preparation for the place we'd dwell;
When waking hours are blind with pain
Why can't we just go home again?

No love to give, no way to take
No contribution can we make;
And when in prayer we beg release
Can't your prayer be "give them peace".

Your arrogance in this assumes
That I must fear what likely looms;
But letting go is not a deed
That's done to you, but a gift for me.


copyright 2004 - Claire Robinson
All rights reserved

( Posted by: evilv [Member] On: November 2, 2005 )

An Angel Indeed
At Lit, Claire represented what we should all strive for. Fairmindedness, honesty...Personal integrity...As well as fine writing.

Her piece above eases sadness...Giving..not surprising..

Godspeed Claire. I'm glad I heard your Voice.

Robert William

( Posted by: Bobby7L [Member] On: November 2, 2005 )

Our Claire has Passed away?
WOW.........I am honestly shocked at this terrible news.

Claire has been missed terribly and there was HOPE that she would come back to us. Many loved and highly respected her, How is Arc, here sister? wow, so many questions. IS her illness the reason she left?
We never met physically, but Claire was very supportive. I have felt that this site was not the same when she left us. Now it will never be as it was, thankfully I was blessed to have known her as I did. I hope that she knew in her tender heart how much so many of us cared about her and respected her writing, ideas, comments etc.


Darlene (Dareva)

( Posted by: Dareva [Member] On: November 2, 2005 )

strange


I was thinking of you just before I logged on.

Goodbye, Claire.

( Posted by: drsoos [Member] On: November 2, 2005 )

No.
I'm so sad. How sad! Jeez. I never know how to express sadness in me for other people when there is death. Loss is so incredibly difficult. Claire, you are loved by so very many types. You were a special presence, and still are.

Lans

( Posted by: GibsonGirl [Member] On: November 2, 2005 )

Claire
Touched me once, and flew away...so sad this day!Goodbye little bird..........Romay

( Posted by: Charmr [Member] On: November 2, 2005 )

:-(
Oh Claire... :'-(

( Posted by: peterpaulino [Member] On: November 2, 2005 )

Amy Corless
Please tell us this isn't true.

( Posted by: peterpaulino [Member] On: November 2, 2005 )

Claire
Rest in peace, Dear Claire...You will be sorely missed....Kacee

( Posted by: Nitz Kitty [Member] On: November 2, 2005 )

Claire
This is absolutely horrible news. Claire was a well-loved, respected presence on this site. She was encouraging, welcoming. I can honestly say that I might not have stuck around past the first few weeks if not for her.

She will be sorely missed.

Just awful . . .

( Posted by: Viper9 [Member] On: November 2, 2005 )

Our beloved Claire
I'm devastated by this news. She was the heart and soul of lit and much loved by me. Although I never met her in person I considered her a kindred heart and true friend. She was bright, beautiful, gifted, full of life and a great writer and poet. I can only hope their is a heaven and that she's dancing in the clouds with God.

Words cannot express the loss that I feel.

My dearest Claire you will always be in my thoughts, dreams and my heart. A shining light has been dimmed.

Bob

( Posted by: rcallaci [Moderator] On: November 2, 2005 )

Namaste Claire...
Bereft and heatbroken to never have hugged and seen her beauty in person. Like many here, she was my reason for staying at Lit in the wobbly early days of finding my poetic feet - she had a warmth of welcome the came through the keyboard and took you in, under her wing and nurtured. She was like a mother, a friend, a sister, a daughter and a soul mate. Her correspondence at the time of my father's death was so moving and she had a respect and wisdom about death that made it easier to hear from her. She had indicated her illness was a contributing faactor to her absence from Lit, but the pain of her absence from life stings. There was so much she contributed that I expected her to come back again and give even more...it was like waiting for a gift you knew you wanted. I wish so much, but can't have any of it now. Poor Amy and the rest of Claire's family - she was such a bright light that her physical absence from their lives must be so profound.

Sweet dreams Claire, may you be the muse that stirs all our poetry and brings your words back to us.
Namaste
Namaste
Namaste

( Posted by: tinalouise [Member] On: November 3, 2005 )

Questions

I'm glad I was able to let you know. I knew Claire only through another forum where she also gave a lot to people through the ether. I can't answer questions about why she left here - I just don't know. I never met her and live on a different continent. All I know is that she had a serious respiratory complaint called pullmonary fibrosis which proved to be a terminal one.

I know no more except that this is certainly true. I had an email from her a fortnight ago, and one the day before yesterday from a close friend of hers confirming the terrible news.

Kind regards

( Posted by: evilv [Member] On: November 3, 2005 )

Claire's songs...
Claire sent me a link to her music that you might like to get lost in...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=219216&songID=1802854

Namaste

( Posted by: tinalouise [Member] On: November 3, 2005 )

Claire
I've been trying to get more information to confirm this, but it's likely true. I know Claire was very ill and other details make this to be likely true. I have no reason to suspect this is a hoax, though I hope against hope that it is.

My heart goes out to Claire's family and friends. She was a rare talent and will be missed.

( Posted by: Crowe [Admin] On: November 3, 2005 )

Crowe...
Sadly I received a mail from her hotmail to mine from someone called Judy who let me know. I am certain of the truth of this as it came from her personal account.
Namaste

( Posted by: tinalouise [Member] On: November 3, 2005 )

Claire will be missed
I don't have words to express what I feel. My heart is aching. You were loved Claire.

Nae

( Posted by: nae411 [Moderator] On: November 3, 2005 )

Oh No...
I am truly saddened by Claire's passing. I heart goes out to her family and closest friends as well as the lit.org community. Her presence here will certainly be missed. Peace be with you Claire.

( Posted by: BMartinez [Member] On: November 3, 2005 )

Let's hear it from Arc
I have to read Arc write it in black and white to believe it. So far it's just a rumor.

( Posted by: Teflon [Member] On: November 3, 2005 )

Claire IS NOT dead!
I don't believe this is true, and I wish I had a gold coin for every so called "internet acquaitence death" I have seen pass my way over the years. I think this is just some sort of sick drama being played out and watched from behind the curtain and safety of someones computer screen.

Anyone can say and pretend anything in this non-physical cyberworld. I've seen these kind of dramas before. I've seen people get set up for months/years ahead of time to believe that someone had died when in fact it was all nothing but one big sick dramatic manipulation of human emotions sustained by a long trail of emails sent to unsuspecting internet "friends"- emails filled with lies.

Cyberspace relationships are played out inside the head---IT ISN'T REAL!

I wish you peace wherever you are Claire! I'm sure you are finally getting your much deserved rest.

( Posted by: flamboozled [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

I Agree...
I agree with you Teflon and flamboozled. I believe nothing I hear and half of what I see...so until Arc comes forward, I can't buy it.

Thanks,
Char

( Posted by: Char [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

claire...
As I said, I received a mail from her usual hotmail account to mine and am very aware that she was terribly ill. I do not see that there needs to be doubt - although I suppose someone could have access to her account but I think that highly unlikely. Namaste

( Posted by: tinalouise [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

Good Night Sweet Prtincess!
I wish with all my heart that this were a hoax, but sadly, know it to be all too true.

I had known for several years that she was very ill, and the outcome was terminal. That played a large part...along with other reasons...for her leaving Lit. She had sworn me to secrecy, as she didn't want anyone feeling sorry for her. That to my mind was one of the things that made her so special...always being sensitive to others feelings.

She would never be a part of playing such a hoax on anyone...she did not need this kind of attention...she already had our love!

Good Night Sweet Princess...Good Night!

Love, as always
Gram

( Posted by: Beatrice Boyle [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

You don't believe it then?

OK - I don't know what kind of people some of you have been dealing with, but I came to let you know that someone I respected has died at a tragically young age. If you want to invent a conspiracy theory that it is a hoax I REGRET that I bothered to register to tell you.

:(


http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19139

( Posted by: evilv [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

More evidence
A link for the terminally suspicious:

http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showpost.php?p=408770&postcount=32

( Posted by: evilv [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

Dear Mark...
I am so sorry you had to encounter such foolishness at this time - it must hurt and is rather cruel. For the majority of us here at Lit, the pain of losing Claire is awful and we are so grateful that you took the time to share the news and allow us our own personal grieving; it can't have been easy for you. I am sincerely grateful.
Namaste

( Posted by: tinalouise [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

just imagine
Imagine if we all ignored this information and did nothing but find fault with a well intentioned person who'd thought enough to let us know and then found out later it was true? I think we would feel like much bigger fools than if we are mislead and respond with sincerity. People who won't believe anything are no wiser than people who react with their hearts. I too had my doubts but thought first of Claire and how we all felt about her. Would I be angry if I discover it's not true? Of course but I'd be angrier with myself if I played the doubting Thomas role and did or said nothing.

( Posted by: Penelope [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

one other thing
Amy Corless and I shared many e-mails when she was a member of LitOrg and we were doing the LitOgre Masquerade Ball collaboration. While I sent her a short e-mail expressing my condolances, I wouldn't dream of imposing upon her during her time of grief with a demand that she confirm the sad news. If it's true, she's just lost her sister for heaven's sake. I have enough consideration and respect for Amy to allow her to do exactly what she feels is important under any circumstances. To expect otherwise is to attach an unreal importance to our standings in the lives of others. You've heard from Bea and you've heard from Tina but that's not enough, you must hear it from someone who hasn't been at LitOrg for months. Do you not see the irony in this?

Believe what you will and/or what you must but rest assured the truth lies within each of us.

( Posted by: Penelope [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

I see
that no one is attacking anyone here but the believers are pushing themselves on the doubters. I am not asking Arc to confirm anything nor anyone else for that matter. Why all the heat? Doubters have the right to their opinions as well and lit is a forum to speak. If one steps out of line here they get chewed....can it for once. Grow up.

Geez,
Char

( Posted by: Char [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

I never said you were
Quote:
I have to read Arc write it in black and white to believe it. So far it's just a rumor.


Don't take everything so personally and don't jump to conclusions either.

( Posted by: Penelope [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

I see too
So what you are saying is I don't have a right to express an opinion and you do? I'm confused.

( Posted by: Penelope [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

I Am Saying
That everyone is entitled to their opinion and I didn't say one thing negative to you, but the moment a doubter says one word, they get hammered and that is not necessary and is downright childish. Live and let live. Also, what is wrong with being certain? This eviv, or Mark, just registered on this site and I don't know him at all. Life has taught me to not be gullible and there is nothing anyone can say to change that. So many people have been run-off here by people who can't keep their mouth shut and let things unfold. A still tongue makes a wise head.

( Posted by: Char [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

Claire
This was stunning and devastating news for all of us and either it be true or not reality is what it is. Deep within my heart I believe it to be true and I grieve but for those who don't and cling to the hope that this is not true that's is alright too. Now is not the time for accusations and anger but for solace and remembrance of a beautiful soul and great friend of lit.

Pen thank you for this wonderful tribute, I only wish I could write a poem for her but I'm to numb to write as of yet

my warmest
bob

( Posted by: rcallaci [Moderator] On: November 4, 2005 )

Claire's passing
I was Claire's assistant for almost ten years. I am angry that anyone would think anything other than the truth. There was a journal entry in Claire's lit.org journal that both her sisters gave me permission to send to Chris. He won't post it because he is too modest. But by God, I'm going to post it if this goes through. This is a time for reflection not dissention.
I have no independent login other than Claire's. It will have to do.

September 20, 2005

I have missed lit so much. There is no other site like it, and I almost wish I hadn't left it. But as time will tell, I had to. I didn't want any false sympathy, and as I grew less able to participate, I could only do what I could do. I have many regrets in my life. I am afraid now that I didn't return the love that people offered. That my writings were the scribbles of a complete amateur. That I was a coward in leaving and not continuing to support new and young writers. But I know Chris is there, which is a great comfort to me, for he is dedicated. I wrote a silly poem which no one will ever see, but he already knows all this.

Hate fosters hate
It doesn't come "from above"
Creativity sparks creation
And love fosters love.

Each thing that we do
No matter how small
Has a ripple effect
Which touches us all.

When a man takes the time
Makes a safe place to fall
He's a port in the storm
Against a white squall.

Love fosters love
It sounds so contrived
But it's true nonetheless
And how writers survive.

To share all their words
And their thoughts about life
Gives them hope they'll be heard
Without fear of the knife;

A man who's done that
Has metal suit and a horse
In the final account,
He's a formidable force.

I can't remember, but I don't think I ever told him. I hope he knows it without being told.

I'm going to rest now, but this has been preying on my mind.
I wish I had told him.

C

Amy, her sister has moved to Scotland. Her other sister is devastated and it will take her a little time to respond. If anyone has any doubts or questions, feel free to email me through Chris.

Terry






( Posted by: Terry [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

Darling Claire
I Just Heard About The Homecoming

I have been busy as usual, and when I came on for the very first time in a couple of weeks, I see this! But that's ok.

Claire you had sent me an email and when you did not respond, I knew something was wrong; you taught me so much, so much more than I ever knew. You encouraged me more than I can remember. But we will meet up, and I’ll see your beautiful smile. I want say goodbye, but to say Hello mighty saint of God.

You’re just sleeping for a little while, just a little while, but you are not alone. Your light is still forever shinning brightly; your legacy lives on. You once told me that you believed in God and His trusted love.

God is your closest friend, and now I’m not going to mourn for you, but rejoice, cause I know that you lives and is looking over people with love and passion. When that day arrives, I will meet you in the air along with my Mother and Others that I so dearly love… Glory! A Mighty Woman of God! Thank you for your support, love and friendship that you shared with me. And again, thank you for so much encouragement; you made me feel like I was going somewhere, you never judged or criticized me…

A woman who God instilled much wisdom, knowledge, and understanding… I love you, see ya soon.


Blessings,
{{{Jeannie}}}



( Posted by: JEANNIE45 [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

One Last Thing
Love fosters love
It sounds so contrived
But it's true nonetheless
And how writers survive.

Where is the love in calling me foolish and cruel? Or that I think Claire's death is a hoax? I never said it was a hoax. My first thought was, "Oh no!" After thinking it through Tina, you think I am foolish and cruel to question a total stranger? Aren't you being a bit hairtriggered?

I bearly knew Claire. I don't know anyone here, for that matter...but I have eyes and saw a lot of brown-nosing going on when she was here.

I was never made to feel welcome here but when I found this site I thought I had found a voice. I have sure been put in my place here more than I care to think about. The first to tell me I was no writer was die daily. There are some good writers here and there are some closedminded people that are writers by virtue of owning a computer; that couldn't write their way out of a paper sack.

It never ceases to amaze me how people show their asses when someone dies.

Thanks for all your opinions and criticisms.

Char



( Posted by: Char [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

Char
Please, stop. This is like we're in a wake of someone so let's all pay respect. Pen's comment I understand wasn't really directed at you nor to Teflon. Pen is enough full of wisdom and heart to see your comment and Teflon's wasn't harsh and nasty, they however in some way show your disbelief are like that of a kin who received the bad news from a stranger at the doorstep. I understand you Char, and Pen understands your disbelief, I know. Her comment was for that nasty insensitive flamboozled!

( Posted by: peterpaulino [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

Flamboozled
Oh, I have to take it back, the 'nasty'. I think in some degree, I also understand you. In this case, I just echo what Tina said. I'm sorry. Let's not make this page a place for our fights.

( Posted by: peterpaulino [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

You Stop
I am entitled to my opinion and am in disbelief that anyone is so threatened by it. And I was attacked first. Pay respect to each other would be the thing to do. I was taught to respect my elders. I am older than you.



( Posted by: Char [Member] On: November 4, 2005 )

respect
My elders taught me that respect isn't a right, it's earned. I respect your right to voice an opinion but don't feel that anyone must repress theirs because of age and a lot other reasons ... like gender for one.

( Posted by: Penelope [Member] On: November 5, 2005 )

Dear Char...
My reaction was not so much 'hair-triggered' as well informed. I understand your doubt and wish I could doubt too, because that would mean Claire was still alive....but having received the mail from her personal hotmail account left me in no doubt. Also, she indicated in a mail to me some months back that this was an illness that would not go away. I am sorry that your pain at her loss makes you react like this Char - we all have our own way of dealing with grief and none is right or wrong. I would request that 'Flamboozled' respond to my PM if that is possible as I feel he/she is actually being cruel. Perhaps Chris could intervene at this point and try to find who this person is?

I believe that we should now let this rest on this thread for Claire's sake - her tribute should be just that. Any differences and doubts could move to personal messages instead.

Namaste

( Posted by: tinalouise [Member] On: November 5, 2005 )

Salute!!!
to the all wise and kinowing members as yourselves, pen and tina. I know you have no respect for me, but do not tell me to let this rest. I am not reacting ths way due to Claire's passing. I am outraged to be called cruel and foolish over my opinion. You apparently haven't seen that yet. Claire's passing is a sad thing but freedom of speech is another matter and that is what this is about. I don't want your respect Miss Pen. I want my right to my opinion on any subject matter. I have nothing to earn. Let this rest for Claire's sake?...you have colored that to mean let it rest for your sake because you can't admit you are wrong. It doesn't matter what anyone writes about anything...if the clique here doesn't like it they get righteous and in faces of who they disagree with. That is wrong...any way you say it. Admit you are out of school. Start considering the feelings of those you stomp on. You can dish it out but you can't take it. I have the right to defend myself and shouldn't be called petty names for it. You should look in the mirror and tell yourself to cease stoning your fellow writers. I am speaking for all of the writers I have seen attacked here...it is a shame. You should all be ashamed. You call yourselves writers...a true writer gives thought before crushing everything in his path. This has been confused with death...but it is about opinion...simply opinion. So keep death out of it.

Char

( Posted by: Char [Member] On: November 5, 2005 )

now is not the time
Dearest Char

I normally let disputes like this die in the wind but in the case of this thread I feel I cannot. Claire meant too much to me to see this thread turn into a forum for freedom of speech. I uphold that right to the utmost but their is a time and a place for everything and this is definitely not the thread to vent ones anger at a perceived slight. You may not have known Claire very well, for who can know anyone real well but themselves, but many of us knew her well as one could through the internet and cared for her deeply. This thread is like peter said, a tribute or a wake for a beloved friend and to denigrate it to a venting platform is disrespectful.

I respect your writing and you as a person and you have every right to say what you want but put it in a rant not here. Now I'm not or never was a part of a clique although I'm quite fond of Tina and Pen and I never thought them to be in one either but I don't believe they showed you disrespect and if they did they would be the first to apologize. I hope you take this the way it was meant not as a slap but as a nudge to friend to keep their cool.

my warmest
bob

( Posted by: rcallaci [Moderator] On: November 5, 2005 )

My Two Cents...
I was going to stay out of this at Char's request, but since my friend Bob, has spoken, I feel compelled to speak also. If everyone will scroll up they will see that the first doubts expressed were expressed by Crowe (by the way, I don't see anyone giving him an crap), followed by Teflon, flamboozled, and Char all made statements that were in no way disrespectful or inappropriate. Whereupon they were attacked and my wife Char, who is a fighter like myself, defended herself. This is no disrespect to Claire or anyone else, for that matter, except for the attackers; the way I see it and should have gone down because any time, any place, or any where you get attacked that should be the place to fight, and (If you jump in the pen with the bull, you gotta take the bull's punches). That's final.

Romay
aka: Charmr, the Junkyard Poet, & Junkyard Dog

( Posted by: Char [Member] On: November 5, 2005 )

My Two Cents
My Two Cents...
I was going to stay out of this at Char's request, but since my friend Bob, has spoken, I feel compelled to speak also. If everyone will scroll up they will see that the first doubts expressed were expressed by Crowe (by the way, I don't see anyone giving him an crap), followed by Teflon, flamboozled, and Char all made statements that were in no way disrespectful or inappropriate. Whereupon they were attacked and my wife Char, who is a fighter like myself, defended herself. This is no disrespect to Claire or anyone else, for that matter, except for the attackers; the way I see it and should have gone down because any time, any place, or any where you get attacked that should be the place to fight, and (If you jump in the pen with the bull, you gotta take the bull's punches). That's final.

Romay
aka: Charmr, the Junkyard Poet, & Junkyard Dog ............* Char and my computers are networked and I hit her name in the drop - down by mistake.

( Posted by: Charmr [Member] On: November 5, 2005 )

Claire's: "Anthology of Blood"
I stand by my comment above (Nov. 2nd).

Visit: lostinthedark.net, where you will find poem:

"Anthology of Blood," by Claire Robinson.


Respectfully,
Robert William

( Posted by: Bobby7L [Member] On: November 5, 2005 )

"Trust Your Instincts" and I am
I am not here to write without deep and long thoughts. I have followed this thread and read each comment several times.

To each of you who say you "loved and respected" Claire, whether she has passed on, or not, but listen to her own words in this departing announcement of hers. "Listen To Your Instincts".

I was not close to Claire, but I knew her enough to respect and admire her work. We had very differnt opinions on Political issues as well as Religious beliefs. We never crossed paths and could tell you with an honest voice that she respected your own opinions and did so in a very mature way. IF Claire was wrong about something she wouldn't think twice of apologizing to someone. Claire earned my respect.

It IS extremely difficult to "trust" all that goes online. We are even reminded by Legal Authorities to beware, to be very cautious of sharing personal information. Somethings we teach our children and seem to forget ourselves.

I can say that I am shocked about the news of Claire. Then I also remember something she herself had reminded me in some of her comments to writers of Articles. They need to be backed up with "proof".

As a Published writer with contracts, Char is only saying her opinion here and is saying what many of us have thought in other areas of Lit. Where is the "proof" to back up such a story?

I am a good friend of Char's and I support things she has said here. In the entirety. I am able to remain bias on many issues. Char does not know I am writing this, in fact she asked me not to, for my best interest. BUT.....I feel as a former writer of Lit. that, this IS in my best interest, to show my support for a writer whom has over several years "EARNED" my respect.

NO ONE nominated THIS thread to be Claire's Wake. NO ONE. There IS a thread for poetry I noticed. That is something each person who feels they have lost Claire to submit something.

Although I was never close to Claire, I DO KNOW THIS.......she WOULD have let anyone express their views and would have stepped in when someone was being targeted.

Mark's "evidence" is not in fact evidence. I went to those sites and read them, they are comments much like on here.

FIRST Crowe DID say : "I've been trying to get more information to confirm this, but it's likely true. I know Claire was very ill and other details make this to be likely true".

And in reading Char's comments this is what she is saying as well. "Confirmation". In her opinion, and I agree with her, " how can this be believed without evidence". How can anyone be sure?

Listen to Claire's voice here........because this is HER thread and I know she always welcomed "opinions" and was never disrespectful towards anyone who voiced those.

just ANOTHER former writer of Lit.

Dareva, aka Darlene

( Posted by: Dareva [Member] On: November 5, 2005 )

.
she had a lovely voice.
and this is very awful news.

( Posted by: die_daily [Member] On: November 6, 2005 )

simply madness...
it is as if there simply has to be a reason to argue - even over someone's passing. I am stunned by the reactions. Char....I didn't do anything more than clarify that the iformation came from Claire's hotmail - not chat room chatter. It was certainly not an attack on you or your freedom of speech for goodness sake. Namaste

( Posted by: tinalouise [Member] On: November 6, 2005 )

What a shambles this has turned out to be!

Wow - I've seen some narcissism in my life, but some of the 'wonderful' rantings above take the award for the most self absorbed that I've ever seen.

To the, 'I have the right to say anything I like and not be called out,' brigade (CHAR) I just say this - maybe, just maybe, a person who takes the trouble to register simply to let you know of a tragic happening, might have the news received without it being implied that he registered with the malign purpose of deceiving you - that he is a liar, in other words. However, since I'm not as narcissistic as you Char, I'll smile, shrug, switch off my computer, and leave you to your indignation.

( Posted by: evilv [Member] On: November 6, 2005 )

I am leaving Lit.org
as many have asked in Ims to me.....the "not listening" is one reason.

Speak TO me in one voice, speak OF me in another.

In my heart I somehow believe Claire is gone, as my Im's from Bea, who was Claire's most trusted friend here in Lit.

On the other hand I HOPE it were untrue. With my mind I will continue asking "where is the proof".
Claire taught me several things here.

Tina anyone can use someone elses hotmail. I've been targetted so often with untruthful things. It is NOT that I do not believe that YOU believe.

I just wish you'd all understand and READ what I have written.

You have it all wrong about Char. I see NO ONE else in Lit to stand with her and tell you what Romay and I have both........she was not nasty to you ever, none of you, nor disrespectful.

IN the writing world........when a story is biographically based, whether it is a birth, a victory, conquest, death, injury, etc, the story is backed up with substance and evidence.

This story of Claire's passing is sad indeed, but more sad to me because of the things written here and disrespect in name calling "madness", "narcassistic", "cruel", "foolishness".......

Had this been handled differently I might have chosen to stay but I no longer want to be a part of this.

This had also happened to me and I had NO one to stand up for me.

Continue to speak to me in ONE voice and speak OF me in another.

Darlene

( and Claire knows I have never disrespected her and this is not what my intentions are,,,,,only to listen to your instincts as she had written "

( Posted by: Dareva [Member] On: November 6, 2005 )

Claire
You were cool and I liked you. If it's true, know that you affected the lives of many, many people here, with your words, kindness, and presence.

peace and love and my thoughts,

andy

( Posted by: strangedaze [Member] On: November 6, 2005 )

evily and any
" I Agree...
I agree with you Teflon and flamboozled. I believe nothing I hear and half of what I see...so until Arc comes forward, I can't buy it.

Thanks,Char".........This is what Char, my wife, said that brought on all the heat. I am now going to make the same statement.....
I agree with you Char,Teflon and flamboozled. I believe nothing I hear and half of what I see...so until Arc comes forward, I can't buy it.

Thanks, Romay......if this offends anyone I apologize in advance......Not!!!!

( Posted by: Charmr [Member] On: November 6, 2005 )

Hoax
Unfortunately, this "Claire" person created an elaborate hoax which spans across multiple internet forums.

http://forum.itshappening.net/showthread.php?t=15390

( Posted by: TerryB [Member] On: November 6, 2005 )

Thank You TerryB
Thank you TerrB. I just read the info from the link you posted and want to say the info there is the very reason why I don't automatically fall for everything. I have been called everything for my seasoned beliefs but that's ok. I would rather be the names I have been called than to be the gullible and easy prey as some have demonstrated they are here.

And they think I started this. I was minding my own business when I was pounced. I made a simple comment and would have been happy to leave it at that but when attacked I will never be taken limb from limb without one solid fight. SO, with the other names I have been called I would like to add that I am also an SOB when slapped for no reason. And the name-callers in their ivory towers think I am to succumb to their attacks...maybe I should wear a bullseye on my back as well...would that help you zero-in on me any better? Hmmm???

And evliv or Mark...I never called you anything but I do think you should have some writing posted here beore you are allowed to start cutting people down.

Dar and Romay, I appreciate your support. I am terribly sorry you are in the middle of this. I had no idea these people would come so unglued over what we doubters said. I would still have said it and I still say it. I am in need of substantial proof before I am willing to bury anyone...especially the living.

Dar, I would have never let you stand alone here if I had realized you being targeted. Honestly. As I stated here before, I have never felt welcome here, although I have recieved many wonderful comments, I always felt something in the air here...akin to lions in the wait. I didn't spend any time here to read or comment much as I would have if I had felt a part. It's always the 'underdog' that gets kicked, or so I have seen in the past in my mini visits. I have never liked it and can say that when they picked on you they couldn't have chosen a finer person to kick. You are gentle and therefore an easy target. They choose easy targets, but they mistook me for one. They grabbed a salty ol' dog when they lammed me.

So, call me what you will dear writers. I am many things, I'll admit, but foolish and cruel....never.

So, Mark turns off his computer? I shall bow and say, have at it, but don't expect me to humbly summit to your childish ways. Believe what you will and leave me to do the same.

~Char

( Posted by: Char [Member] On: November 6, 2005 )

Claire
Regardless of what anyone thinks or what anything has happned, I'm taking this at face value.

First off, someone I trust contacted Claire's sister, who confirmed the story. Second, I contacted a old co-worker of Claire's who also confirmed the story.

Could it still be a hoax, sure. Do I care? No. I would rather be a taken in a hoax and give this the dignitay it deserves than to be cynical and not pay the proper respects.

As for at Lit.Org and Writing Forums are concerened I'm taking this to be true: Claire passed away. As such, she will be sorely missed. My heart goes out to her friends and family.

( Posted by: crowe [Admin] On: November 6, 2005 )

The 'I can never be wrong syndrome' - A diagnosis...
Check this out Char babe - Especially the final symptom listed here:

Narcissism Revisited", fourth, revised, printing (2003)

"An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behaviour), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria must be met:

Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion

Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions)

Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply)

Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations

Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends

Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others

Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her

Arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted"

( Posted by: evilv [Member] On: November 6, 2005 )

Crowe, Thank you
I do believe what you've told us here. Coming from some one who is highly respected and well known, you did say you wanted to find some more information on this, and you have.

Thank you for sharing this with us. And for this site which I have enjoyed being a part of for a year and a half. More good then bad came from here, but I must move on.

Thanks Crowe for everything.

Darlene

( Posted by: Dareva [Member] On: November 6, 2005 )

evil is as evil does
evilv

Please stop these attacks I find them to be quite childish and plain rude. Char just spoke her mind which she has every right to and even if she doesn't think so is a valued member of this community which by the few posts you posted are not. Go post your venom elsewhere

bob

( Posted by: rcallaci [Moderator] On: November 6, 2005 )

Bravo Bob and thank YOU
It is all Char was doing and for this EVILV to come into a place as a new person ONLY posting comments and attack Char who has been a part of Lit for so long........he knows nothing.

So who is calling the kettle black?

As well as Char does have this wonderful humility about her.

Thanks Bob for your graciousness here.......no one listened to me

Dar

( Posted by: Dareva [Member] On: November 6, 2005 )

Thank You Bob
Thank you so very much Bob. I am speechless and extremely grateful for your wisdom. Peace be with your gentle soul.

Always,
~Char

( Posted by: Char [Member] On: November 6, 2005 )

Dareva
Dareva said:
"EVILV to come into a place as a new person ONLY posting comments and attack Char who has been a part of Lit for so long........he knows nothing."

I know this much Dareva - I know that Claire is dead, and that when I came here to let you people know, some here made it quite clear that they think I am a liar!!

I registered here out of altruism to let you know that a valued, one time major contributor here had died. Frankly, I'm not used to being called a liar, and I'm not at all impresed that some wannabe writer tells me she's a 'fighter', and that she demands her right to 'free speech'. She can demand what she likes, but the fact is Claire is dead, and Char is WRONG and insulted the messenger who botherd to let you all know.

( Posted by: evilv [Member] On: November 7, 2005 )

EVIL.......
DO NOT address any more comments to me. I DO not know you at all, nor do you know me or anyone else in this place.
you admitted you ONLY knew Claire from another site.

As well as ENOUGH had been said so drop it all.
You are prooving you only want attention AND a pat on the back for letting Lit know. IF you hadn't come along someone else would have.

Char did NOT say you WERE a liar, but could be which is true. We all KNOW how online places can be. Someone easily COULD have started a hoax about anyone.

I replied my thanks to Crowe, who deserved it. If you want my thanks.......well thanks for coming and letting us know. But I will NOT thank you for continuing to write and try to get attention.

Come and post here, you are more than welcome to do so.......it's a nice place to belong. But don't come here just to comment after comment.

WE KNOW you came here and told people of Claire's death. We did not KNOW for sure if it was true or not.....

I refuse to continue to bat a ball back and forth to you, its not worth my time. I don't need to proove I did a good thing or not.

Claire was a wonderful person, writer, artist and musician and she will be sorrily missed.

I am thankful Chrispian found out from reliable sources that he KNEW...but I am not in the least grateful that a young life has ended. We are were blessed to have known Claire.

She taught me alot in the times we knew one another and emailed each other. I know she'd not be upset with my reason for needing confirmation from a reliable source, one that I trust.

Don't take it so personally, because I don't know who you are, but your actions were what you thought best, as I said thanks for the news. Just that if I was a Newspaper publishing a story and you came to me with no firm evidence, I couldn't publish it without investigating further, which I have done as well.

Good bye,
Darlene

( Posted by: Dareva [Member] On: November 7, 2005 )

WANNA BE WRITER?????EXCUSE ME!!
But HOW dare you come in here and call anyone a "wannabe writer".

To be published, make money, AND have a contract as well as to have the ability to READ is to be a writer........but even so,
I am only published a couple of times on paper, but I am still a writer.
To those who are published online are writers, to those that WISH to write and have others enjoy, well THEY ARE writers too.

I think you should apologize or shut up.

Darlene

( Posted by: Dareva [Member] On: November 7, 2005 )

WWCD?


What Would Claire Do? We should ask ourselves that. Claire quit lit facing her own mortality as well as unspoken adversities. Would she have quit for the reasons I have recntly seen offered? Because some newbie (I love newbies- we all begin new and grow) offended you? Claim your turf and defend it! Dar, (for example) there's a whole conversation going on re strangedaze partly about the responsibilities of a writer and I was about to ask what about poems rather than stories dealing with sex and death, because my latest poetic postings could indeed inspire a nutcase (You promised me a comment). I don't see you as the quitter type. Explain your weakness.

( Posted by: drsoos [Member] On: November 7, 2005 )

DrSoos, my illness
is my weakness.

I am a lover not a writer...........oh wait!!

I got that wrong, dang!

I am a lover not a fighter.......heheheeh.

I will comment on your "cold blue" I promise

I will hun, thanks.
love you,
Dar xo

( Posted by: Dareva [Member] On: November 7, 2005 )

Dar


I think you are a fighter and a writer and a lover... and I meant well.

( Posted by: drsoos [Member] On: November 7, 2005 )

Hey evliv
You said you came here to make an announcement. You have done that so what's your point for sticking around longer? You also said you were turning off your computer some time ago and yet here you are bashing. No one called you anything. We read your announcement and everything else you've said. SO either be nice or don't let the door hit you in the a**

~Char

( Posted by: Char [Member] On: November 7, 2005 )

Claire

Oh - by the way - Claire HAS died.

( Posted by: evilV [Member] On: November 8, 2005 )

arc?
Has anyone been in touch with Arc? I am sure the Admin has her contact e-mail, which would clarify where we should forward our condolences.

This thread is a bit too long. Move it to WF?
http://www.writingforums.com/showthread.php?p=549091#post549091

Tt

( Posted by: Teflon [Member] On: November 8, 2005 )

not dead
you are still alive in the heart of everyone loves you ///I am sure everyone met you or got to know you is aching as he/she really missed someone was truly loved...


you are truly loved and will always be missed..

I just cant stop crying...why good people are gone so fast???
I cant believe you are gone...I will always remeber you....



Hiba

( Posted by: fairgrace [Member] On: November 8, 2005 )

A HOAX IS A HOAX IS A HOAX
Thank you Terry B. for the info and link.

http://forum.itshappening.net/showthread.php?t=15390

by Lefthome

The death of members - is it real or what?

Everyone knows that people leave message boards for various reasons; sometimes they just leave and other times they create elaborate stories to cover their tracks and sometimes the stores wind up hurting others especially the innocent or the victims who are left behind.

The other day I was thinking about all the controversies that have come to light recently regarding the death of members who never really died, and considering that, as did a lot of people, I checked the obituaries for the recent death of the member known as “Claire.” In fact, I searched the recorded of deaths in County and the State where this person lived (this person gave me a general idea during a email conversation we had) and I haven’t been able to locate anything to confirm this persons death and I found that rather odd, so I continued to check things out a little closer.

And, here is what I consider the rotten thing that I did that maybe I shouldn’t have done, in fact, maybe I should have left this completely alone and just allowed this situation to pass without saying a single word since this could actually come back and “bite me in the ass” if I am wrong, but I did some additional research and discovered something that has me rather concerned. Via a few reliable sources, I located a telephone number on this member and I talked with somebody at that number, who I’ve spoken with on more than one occasion, that I will lay my life on was the same person I’ve spoken with on the telephone on numerous occasions. Have you ever spoken with someone who had such a distinctive voice you would know it anyplace? Well, that is what I did and I really believe the person I talked with yesterday was the same person I have spoken with before. I’m not going to ask another member to come forth but they and I spoke and they too called the number and the same person answered and they confirmed what I suspected; and that is that our members have likely been “duped’ by another hoax.

When I called the number it was never answered because I used call blocking, but since I happen to be in Dallas because of the hurricane in Florida, I decided to call from a local number and this time the phone was answered by the person I believe to be the member known as “Claire.” I called this person by their real name and they confirmed they were said person. I immediately asked why she did this and why she just didn’t leave the board without the hoax, and the party proceeded to tell me she was a friend who was answering her private phone number and that I would need to speak with Claire’s sister to confirm any information.

Since the person I spoke with confirmed that they were the right individual they went on to explain that all Texans sound exactly alike! Okay! Sure, whatever you say and I left it at that as I decided there was no reason to continue with the conversation and if this person wanted to disappear then so be it but I cannot allow our members to continue to think this individual really died when I do not believe they did die because I spoke with that person yesterday, November 5, 2005.

That was it and I hung up the phone. Afterward, I started recalling the death of my own wife who was cremated and it took about a week before I can retrieve her body since the medical examiner always do autopsy on those who die in hospital even from natural causes, that’s unless Texas doesn’t care why somebody dies and they want them burned or buried.

Please feel free to talk about this, but I beg you please allow this matter to pass, permit this member to disappear but do not attack or point fingers at the innocent who, as far as I am concerned were victims of this hoax, and since nobody at this board was party to this situation I will not tolerate finger pointing or allegations of any kind except against me or exactly where it belongs; that member who has been deleted!

Finally, I will not share any of the information that I have since I will respect the desire of this person to disappear and the only reason this post is here is to protect those who were taken in by this situation.

Honestly, I hope I am wrong and I hope the sister will email me proof that I am a liar and I will publicly extend my sincerest apology for being wrong, calling the hoax and taking this situation out of context and making said ‘unsubstantial’ claims. But the person everyone thinks they knew as “Claire” never existed and was a “stage name” or internet persona, which is common on the net and my motivation, is to protect others from being hurt as was the case when Ernie didn’t really die.

I am really sorry and I feel really bad for anyone that was taken in by this situation. I am going to leave the account for “Claire” intact so the sister, if she likes can come here and defend this and prove that I am a liar, although, I will not engage in a “pissing match” with her or anyone regarding what I have stated and will only listen to documented proof.


( Posted by: NoSuckerHere [Member] On: November 8, 2005 )

Don't Mourn
She's still alive. I shall not
pass on her identity but she duped many across the net. Please find the full info here.

http://forum.itshappening.net/forumdisplay.php?f=222

( Posted by: terryb [Member] On: November 9, 2005 )

More Info
From those that trusted her and were also trusting of her. I'm sorry.

http://forum.itshappening.net/showthread.php?t=15397

Anyone needs or can provide any alternative proof please PM Lefthome at the above address. Many people have been hurt by this individual.

( Posted by: terryb [Member] On: November 9, 2005 )

I can't apologise enough.
Well, I'll be damned.

Claire - is a 55 year old imposter, and an inveterate liar?

She created multiple deep relationships with people on this and other forums including ME.

What a sad act that lady is to prey on people's trust, cultivate them, worm her way into their affections all the while betraying them. The night I heard she'd died, I stayed up late hoping she'd passed away easily, contemplating the meaning of life and the transience of the connection we have with others. Not only have I wasted many hours corresponding with her fraudulent personna, but I foolishly allowed her so called 'death' to change my mood for a while after it 'happened'.

.... but all that aside, I want to say I'm most profoundly sorry, first that my gullibility (and I'm not normally a gullible person) allowed me to come here and so it seems, misinform you all, but also, to come here and get involved in accrimony.

Char - I apologise, and do so unreservedly. It seems after all, that your caution was wiser than my trust. Devla (sp) who seemed so offended at things she thought I'd said to her, had misread my posts, attributing comments as if they'd been said to her. They weren't but I'm sorry she was offended anyway.

If I can make just one excuse, the 'death', seemed to be supported by multiple evidences. I was contacted by an unimpeachable source, who had spoken with her about the terminal nature of her condition and her impending death. He had received that phone call, but it was from a 55 year old con artist called Terry Ga--er - the author of this scam, the person we thought was Claire. There were others too who had had contact with her 'family' and had so they said, 'shared in their grief'. This was a pretty well set up scam, and I am most profoundly sorry that I propagated it to this forum.

Regretfully

Evilv (neither evil, nor 'Mark' - just for the record).

( Posted by: EvilV [Member] On: November 9, 2005 )

...?
I have read all from the other site and still remain uncertain....IP addresses, lack of obits and phone call