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If you canít see through the words into the writer that wrote them than I feel sorry for you
And if any one is still wondering English is my first language but the English
Form of complex thought has had more changes and comes from more sources
Than any other languages now to understand you have to know me
I spent most of my childhood trying to learn the befuddles of the English langue
Its not fun being in high school and not knowing how to spell simple words
Like Ďlunchí for real and I actually hade to be retote phonics and to this day I still
Have a problem with it even tho Iím only a few classes away from my PHD.
In zoology funny for a guy born with autism or so they thought at the the age of three
I just seem to snap out of it and to those who care they still donít have a name for what I have itís weird that I can be so good at science and math and not in English
And I can read just perfect but can I spell any of those words no and there seems to be no
One that can help me trusts me Iíve tried and if 45,000 dollars in privet classes and tutors cannot help than who can .


The following comments are for "What to do?"
by overlored

A possible "name for what [you] have"?
Have any of the professionals you've consulted for help with your writing skills ruled out "dysgraphia"?

A quick Google search of that term retrieved definitions that seem to fit some of the problems you describe, though many of these definitions seem to emphasize difficulties in writing by hand. You don't happen to mention whether you have or had trouble correctly forming, sizing or spacing letters when writing by hand. However, the challenges you describe in learning spelling, even though you have no trouble reading, brought this term to my mind.

I have only the most rudimentary background in learning disabilities, but what you describe certainly sounds to me like a specific learning disability in expressive language skills, as opposed to receptive language skills. Do you have any similar difficulty expressing yourself in spoken language, or just in written language?

You're obviously very intelligent, and I'm impressed that you work so hard at your writing and post on a writers' website. I hate to see you get defensive: you say, "If you canít see through the words into the writer that wrote them than I feel sorry for you."

If I may attempt an analogy: As a Ph. D. candidate, you may have had the opportunity to teach an undergraduate course, perhaps in math or science, the areas in which you excel. Suppose one of your students in a math course submitted a math problem that followed all of the correct processes, but had incorrect calculations, or perhaps skipped one or more crucial steps. Would you "see through the numbers to the mathematician who wrote them" or would you mark it incorrect? Likewise if a science student designed an experiment that was ambitious but "sloppy," not following established rules of scientific method or controlled conditions, would you accept that?

As in math and science, rules and conventions have developed in writing. In the case of writing, at least, these rules help enable others to understand more clearly what the writer is trying to express. You are correct, too, that English is probably one of the most inconsistent languages on Earth, full of arbitrary rules and, of course, exceptions! Learning these rules so that others can understand what you are trying to say is no small trick!

I'm new to this site, but my impression is that the primary purpose of the site is to allow writers to help one another improve their writing so that it becomes easier for readers to "see through the words into the writer that wrote them." Now that you have given us a better understanding of the difficulties you are working so hard to overcome, perhaps we can be more helpful. Keep trying! The fact that you ARE trying is a worthwhile achievement in itself!


( Posted by: LinnieRed [Member] On: November 22, 2004 )

thanks for the help
Thank you for your kind words i like to see that
pashins is still a vurtu and i can see your point to. there are many who have tryed to change the way a person looks at one thing or another and you have change that for me i really understood why i stated to write at this site
in the first place so i could get the help i need anyway side note i was alway to chicken
to teach ( stage frite) but i have graded many a paper thanks for showing me what a hipocrit i was being.

( Posted by: overlored [Member] On: November 23, 2004 )

What to do?

'If you canít see through the words into the writer that wrote them than I feel sorry for you'

I have followed your work with interest and also seen Paul,trying to help you along with other people's varying forms of critique. I have also seen people withdraw as they were not sure that you were not deliberatley attempting to wast our time.

Despite several people stating that you had talent but difficulty with language and presentation, you have not, until now, directly let us know you had dificulty with this.

I agree we should have been aware by your written work, but with so many pranksters about, we have to make decisions based on you reply to our comments and these were not forthcoming.

For instance, my 're-writing' a passage in order to assist you would have been of little use due to the complexity of the problem. I have been involved in assitig people with varying degrees of problems although I am not one for defining with labels. At a special school I was governor of, a student was nearly 'written off' as unteachable and unruly, when in fact it was caused by commnication difficulties and the child had the IQ of a genius!

Please make an effort to reply in the comments section of your work as many of us return there to get a idea how our critique is being recieved. I am sure in this way you will find the support you recieve, 'freely given' as valuable as any paid for.

'and there seems to be no one that can help me, trusts me Iíve tried and if 45,000 dollars in privet classes and tutors cannot help than who can.'

Believe me, even if we cannot help with your difficulty in writing, we can assist you in appreciating that you are making an oustanding efort by continuing to post on a literary site.

Have Fun,


( Posted by: ivordavies [Member] On: November 23, 2004 )

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