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the old mans words drowned
in the passing of coins at the counter.
"im eightynine years old and havent
made a single choice"
a hit on the radio made everyone forget
the weather outside. a burning man went by
carrying a closet through the rain.

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by Ingi

Sad and nice...
The man who played his life away, without feeling he had a choice.. nice poem. I would have written hit song or hit single, but it got to me, finally. Burning men and burning foxes (And rain) what's next? Burning matches?

( Posted by: DrKilldare [Member] On: August 27, 2004 )

Thanks Dr,
Actually I wrote this piece in norwegian a long time ago. It`s inspired by Albert Sajo`s buddhist saying in "Trip Trap - On the road": "An entire lifetime, not one single mistake". Guess I`m a determinist at heart. Not sure what`s next yet. Thanks for the comment!

( Posted by: Ingi [Member] On: August 27, 2004 )

Unfortunately I can`t name a single determinist philosopher.

I`m not sure he`s revealing himself to the cashier, maybe he is muttering it to himself half crazy? The last part might seem absurd, but is connected to an earlier poem I submitted. I like to write with some connectivity. I also enjoy contrasts like the burning man in the rain. It`s how things turn out at the moment. Hopefully I can put up some more if it feels right.

Thanks for both read and feedback.

( Posted by: Ingi [Member] On: August 28, 2004 )

yeah, also enjoyed the absurd - yet concrete and realistic - atnosphere you conjure.

So in light of your other poems, not to mention your titles: Do you see life as a game?

As for determinist philosophers: What about Jean Calvin, one of the Christian protestant reformers of the Catholic Church (in Switzerland?) in the 16th century. Martin Luther's colleague, so to speak.

( Posted by: Lennart [Member] On: August 31, 2004 )

Concrete and realistic is two words I think describes this piece quite good. Is it maybe too prosaic?

I don`t think life is a game.

I`m all blank when it comes to determinist philosophers. I`ve heard the name of this one, but haven`t read anything of/about him.

Thanks for both read and feedback Lennart.

( Posted by: Ingi [Member] On: August 31, 2004 )

Well, I can't either come up with the names of philosphers who are strictly determinist. Most of them seem to concentrate on the choices we make and how to do that right. When it comes to Calvin, I connect him with the strictest form of christianity ever invented. Wasn't that the guy who prohibited dancing, music and (profane) reading?
I think Albert Sajo seems more interesting, in the context of I.Vests poem. Also ponder if I don't think Lennart's comment is somewhat rude. "Do you think life is a game", like asking the writer if he's subscribing to a philosphical supermarket cliché. What do you really mean? "Is that all there is (and ever going to be) in your writings?"

( Posted by: DrKilldare [Member] On: September 1, 2004 )

Determinist life interpreation
Well, I didn't intent to be rude. But intent and outcome are rarely coinciding. As I guess most of us have experienced when publishing comments her at Lit.Org. And I see how Killdare could interprete me this way. What I maybe SHOULD have said is, from reading Ingi's other work, "do you think poetry is a game?"

As for Calvin I agree that his strictness rules him out of any balanced discussion. Nietzsche could, I guess, be included in the discussion. After all he writes about the return of everything (historical events, ideologies, moral perspectives, actions, types of governments, cultures, works of art etc.) That makes him somewhat of a determinist: everything repeats itself. Whether he is correct is of course a completely other question.

( Posted by: Lennart [Member] On: September 1, 2004 )

I don`t think Lennarts question was rude at all concidering the titles, although it`s a hard one to answer. Either you`re with the feel it invites to, or you`re not. To me the game theme is an approach, not the bottom-line. I hope there is more to the poems than the general dogma "life is a game".

( Posted by: Ingi [Member] On: September 1, 2004 )

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