Religious Freedom
by ivordavies (Member) - published: December 20, 2008
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Religion

Before religion came to man
and took away his brain,
he could ride high on sweet success
and blame himself for pain.

He cherished all the thoughts he held
and balanced good and ill,
and knowing it was ‘up to him’
he valued his free will.

Then sometime, somewhere, in his mind
he learned a better way
finding comfort in a freedom
where free will would never pay

For now implanted in his mind
acceptance was his game,
as God decreed the way things were,
he trusted in his name.

Now joy and pleasure must be gifts
it’s not for us to choose,
I fear that in religion
more than ‘free will’ we all lose.

Unless of course the God you trust
is just like you and me
and needs a little help at times
to let our souls soar free.

Ivor G Davies

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It lives the full spectrum of time, the future, the present and past.
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The following comments are for "Religious Freedom"
by ivordavies

Hi Ivor!
Hi Ivor...as you know...I don't agree with the concept, but I love the style and rhyme.

So good to see you here again as a regular!
Merry Christmas and a Healthy, Happy New Year to you and Joan.

Love ya,
Bea

( Posted by: Beatrice Boyle [Member] On: December 21, 2008 )

Religion
Nice meter and the words bounce. Like Bea I don't agree. For me man has always had a need to understand the mystery of our being, The rat in the cupboard has always been the politics of power. The everyday man wants to understand the world and the movement and 'Why' of the heavens, all it takes is for some unscrupulous bastard to shout out that he knows the answer and start a buildinbg fund for a monolithic temple where the imagined god needs to be fed and financialy mantianed. Freedom dies for the seeking in the wrong place for that answer. Are we fools because we are hardwired to seek or are we fools for listening to any clever manipulative explanation.I belie4ve we are made to always be in the question. Which this poem puts us. Well done-Forgive the praddle. It roused the Methodist in me. Thanx

Merry Christmas

( Posted by: jonpenny [Member] On: December 21, 2008 )

Ivor
It seems you are the king of rhyme. Long live the king!

I believe G-d exists; the universe is too complex to be a casual accident.

This stanza mirrors, for the most part, my beliefs:

"Unless of course the God you trust
is just like you and me
and needs a little help at times
to let our souls soar free."

At the end of it all, while I believe G-D created us, in return, we recreate our images of G-D . . . after our own.

Ochani Lele

( Posted by: OchaniLele [Admin] On: December 21, 2008 )

Ivor's spirited rhyme
Ivor-
Good to read voice again..

Enjoyed.

Imagining..while looking up,
Robert William

( Posted by: Bobby7L [Member] On: December 21, 2008 )

Ivor and Bob!
Let's not blame all the ills of the world on God...remember...when he created us...he endowed us with FREE WILL...it's up to US to choose how we use it!

Love ya,
Bea

( Posted by: Beatrice Boyle [Member] On: December 21, 2008 )

A question of Religion
Thank you all that commented on this, my muse has been away for a longtime and I am currently sitting down and making an effort to write as I wish to return to my passion without excuses.

This means a lotof stuff I post will be immediate and rough and I welcome feedback to kick start me back agin in the right direction!

As in the a lot of my poetry there is the story to thinkabout and then my own twist at the end,that usually negates the story or supports it, inotherwords I think in rhyme and have never analysed a piece before I write it, but form conclusions along the way.

Interpretationis for the reader, but the last verse of this, in my opinion, says that there is a God, just be careful how you think of HeR! (see I do pick up from others....)

Thanks once again and I hope you are still as gentle with me when the one I wrote last night is posted!

Ivor

( Posted by: ivordavies [Member] On: December 21, 2008 )

Ivor and Eric
Hi Ivor and Eric

In a lighter vein ..rising to the bait Eric has so tantalizingly dangled :

"Not sure who is top of the pops at the moment… is David Beckham past his sell by date yet."

The answer to that one should be quite straightforward .

A few years back ,the BBC ran a progamme on "God'. The BBC , very cannily , saved the best for the last - highlighting a survey that confirmed that David Beckham was far better known ,throughout the UK ,than "God .

Moving on.. in April 1966 Time ran a cover feature titled "Is God Dead ?" Dated though it be , the article still makes a for riveting read. Some excerpts :

"Is God dead? It is a question that tantalizes both believers, who perhaps secretly fear that he is, and atheists, who possibly suspect that the answer is no....

....During World War II, the anti-Nazi Lutheran martyr Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrote prophetically to a friend from his Berlin prison cell: "We are proceeding toward a time of no religion at all.'

And the most poignant of them all: "I love God," cries one anguished teenager, "but I hate the church."

Still the question -unanswered despite aeons of spiritual and intellectual contortions by countless millions : " Was this ever necessary."

(Believe it or not ,in a delicious twist , Time's very next issue was titled "London : The Swinging City" -replete with photos and write ups of Carnaby Street, Twiggy etc.

Was this a case of going from the sublime to the ridiculous . I wouldn't be too sure of that .)

J.

( Posted by: RJKT [Member] On: December 21, 2008 )

G-d Concepts and thought form questions found here...
Like Stuart, I too, agree with this stanza and it was what stood out for me as well:

Ivor's "Religious Freedom" stanza:

"Unless of course the God you trust
is just like you and me
and needs a little help at times
to let our souls soar free."

Very true...

Though my concepts of G-d, like some of Stuarts beliefs, are eclectic to some degree...as a born Jew like Stuart, yes, I too believe there is a G-d and hold respect to the spelling and the use of the name of the G-d, also as a former witch, Stuart still practicing, I know the world of thought forms and illusion through my experience in the use of spells and majick...

...but the now 11 years as a Tibetan Buddhist in me is more in line with my Jewish Chasid kabbalistic in ideas of godhead...that we are all pieces of ONE great consciousness that has not form, a world of thought, a though form, we are ONE.

Much like quantum M-theory suggests, and what the Dalai Lama is very much interested in as I have been for many years now...

Good piece of work, invokes introspection and question.

Questioning is always a good thing...that is my belief, accepting what is presented without question, is a matter of faith. I have no faith, my beliefs are based in experience, having seen many things that transcend the physical, tangible, real as anything of what we perceive to be real...so behind it all, ultimately is thought, creation, illusion, perception...

Great piece of work.

( Posted by: TheRealKarmaTseringLhamo [Admin] On: December 21, 2008 )

early christmas morning
and this fine poem is the "most read" poem of the moment. how appropriate.

12/25/08

6:25am

( Posted by: johnjohndoe [Member] On: December 25, 2008 )

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